It may bear repeating that Ira and team, saw the stupid-ass outrageous claims that CSW, CA, et al were making about CSW being satoshi, that CSW had worked with Dave Kleinman to mine coins and supposedly invent BTC, and that CSW had possession of those coins which seemed to logically be partially owned by Dave, if such claims were true.
and thats the pitfull you are falling into
we in the entire community know CSW is a pennyless scammer that never created or mined bitcoin pre2013
thats not in dispute.. apart from you and nutty's, and a couple others flip flops unsure/trolling thoughts.
Fuck that bullshit, franky1. None of us are presuming that CSW has any assets or that he mined any bitcoin or that he is anything but a fraud, but he is still stuck with his decision NOT to dispute the claims that he is making in the court. So if he says that he mined bitcoin, and that he is satoshi and that he is rich as fuck with bitcoin like Scrooge McDuck, then he is going to have to pay, even though we all know that he is full of shit.. the court knows too, but they are still going to make him pay (or rule that he has to pay).
what is actually ocurring is that ira's team is NOT calling out CSW as a pennyless scammer that duped dave into a pennyless scam. IRA's NOT fighting to clear daves name and get out/detach daves reputation from being 50% liable of the ATO and other scams.. ira's not seeking damages from CSW for trying to pull in dave into CSW's scam
I don't know exactly what you are talking about franky1. Seems that you are just repeating unimportant nonsense.
Ira has no reason to contest what CSW is saying because so long as CSW says that he is rich as fuck, then Ira is going to get a cut, even if all of that is a fraud, lie scam. Ira gives no fucks about that because, he just wants CSW, CA et al to pay the value, even if they have to get the money from some other location, which may well be what the court tells them that they have to do.
instead ira's team ARE trying to ratify that there was a partnership and it has assets.
They don't need to ratify. CSW admits it (so it is a non-issue, even if its a lie)
again they are not arguing who then should buy out who from that ratified partnership.
That is correct. They don't need to argue, because if CSW is claiming that there is a partnership, then Ira is going to get half. Who cares about the other details?
they just both want to have it validated that there was a partnership which included bitcoin IP as its asset
They don't need to validate it. CSW is claiming it. Therefore, a non-issue that is not being contested.
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but hey. you can play theories and if's and maybes.
none of us seem to be playing what ifs, except to the extent that we don't know if CSW and those diptwats might change some of their positions before trial, as they seem inclined to do. So, none of us can know about how the court is going to rule on what issues, especially if we don't know if CSW and those fucktwats might try to change the issues along the way, but that is how litigation goes. Sometimes there are changes in issues and positions and surprises, so in that regard, we cannot always know how the litigation is going to play out before it actually plays out, even if we might have pretty decent projections regarding how it seems to be playing out.. based on current facts and current posturings of the parties.
but ira's requests for validation during the deposition/discovery stage. is very much tactics that CSW would play. its a similar play as the SLAPP tactic. get the desired outcome before the case has even started.
Huh? Haven't you learned shit yet, franky1? you still have not figured out the purpose of depositions and discovery, even though the process has been explained to you numerous times?
Let me 'splain one more time just because I like you so much. Depositions/discovery are used to prepare for trial and to figure out what kind of testimony might come out of various witnesses and what kinds of documents are available to attempt to establish or corroborate testimony and positions and even might result in the production of stipulations regarding evidence, legal issues or even settlement of the whole fucking case... or maybe the changing of some of the issues based on what evidence is produced during that process. So, even while they are preparing for trial, issues can end up changing because they may decide to either narrow or broaden the case based upon such discoveries and even some of the pleadings/motions that might happen along the way, too.
Sometimes the court might not allow them to either change their pleadings or to change the issues, but even one of the courts recent rulings that rejected Ira's motion for default sanctions demonstrated that sometimes issues might end up being added based upon such motions, and in this situation, all of a sudden, one of the issues seems to be that CSW, CA, et al are proclaiming that CSW suffers from a genius kind of autism, which causes more facts and issues to be potentially presented during trial as compared to what would have happened if either the court ruled against such CSW claims or if they had decided to grant the motion for Ira to receive some of those default sanctions on some of the issues and in regards to Ira's attempt to limit evidence that could be presented (and that motion to limit some of the evidence/issues in that direction failed.. at least, so far.).
CSW wins even if IRA wins.
You and I already discussed this, and of course, we disagree. It seems that most everyone else posting here disagrees with you on this point too, but I am not going to speak for others, even though I cannot recall anyone really agreeing with you on any kind of substantive and/or material way in regards to this point that seems to suggest that there is not really any adversarial position between the parties.
as the only true costs CSW would pay is just the lawyers costs of both sides.
I agree that it could take a bit of time to figure out what assets that CSW has and is able to liquidate or the extent to which the purported companies that he created or even Calvin might be liable for the anticipated judgement against CSW.
which i deem CSW
Who fucking cares what you deem, franky1?
has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title.
Well, of course there seem to be various attempts to create companies and to confuse who is responsible for what in order to attempt to limit liability. I surely have very little clue regarding how all of those smoke and mirror bullshit entities are going to end up affecting liability or whether they also will end up getting drug into litigation at some point.
which can then be used in future SLAPP cases which he promises profits to his 'money guys'
You are getting ahead of yourself. One case at a time, unless those bullshit entities get drug into this litigation, too.
but hey.
show me where IRA's team has said CSW is a pennyless scammer that had nothing to do with bitcoin pre2013 and just tried to con dave into a scam..(your assumptions of what this case actually is)
No assumptions are being made here. I believe that CSW has proclaimed that he is rich as fuck, and Ira is not contesting that claim, even though it is not likely to be true, as you mentioned a half a million times, franky1.
i do get it
Yeah. You are smarter than everyone else. I already understand that to be your perspective.
Pretty funny when you think about it.
we in the community know the actual scamminess of CSW. we know he was not involved in bitcoin pre2013.
O.k. fair enough. Everyone seems to recognize this, more or less.
yes we wish IRA was a plaintiff of a case that called CSW out on his scams..
Speak for yourself, in regards to what "we wish"
yes we wish IRa was trying to call detach any linkage to any partnership by showing there was not bitcoin business pre 2013
Again. Speak for yourself in regards to what you are wishing for.
but the only stuff IRA is calling out on is the stall tactics within the case of not just coming out as bitcoins creator as promised/sooner.
thus ira's team is very much playing into the game of wanting CSW to be announced as bitcoins creator
We already went over this many times. In other words, you are making no sense, franky1.
In regards to the case, nobody gives any shits about whether CSW is the creator or not. For all intents and purposes in regards to the case, CSW is claiming to be the creator, and so therefore it is a non-issue. Does not need to be resolved in the case.
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i do get it
You seem to hardly get shit, franky1.
we all want CSW punished..
It seems that CSW is going to get punished, whether we want it or not, but we still need to see how all of this plays out. CSW seems to be in a bit of a pickle, so it seems difficult to envision ways in which he does not get punished. Of course, he could attempt to disappear or employ some other kind of exit scam, so that might be one of the cards that CSW might be planning to play if it appears that his corpus might be in jeopardy of getting locked up (which he likely would not want.. but who knows, he might be willing to play the "get locked up card" and the subsequent "see if he can get out card")
but that aint gonna happen.
Sure. That's possible that CSW will not get punished. Seems unlikely, but sure, it is possible. Within reason, almost anything is possible.
IRA is not making direct demand for 410k coin and asking the judge for a prison term punishment if CSW doesnt pay.
The prison motion might come later, or maybe there could be a subsequent proceeding or maybe the court could raise contempt
sua sponte. I don't think that we have enough information to know how likely it could be that CSW gets locked up at all or that Ira motions for it.
heck even the judge said this case is not about awarding coins or proving who or where the coins are to then award.
this is not what the case is about. its not the coins.
Where did the judge say that? I can imagine that if CSW is saying that he has the coins, then no one is contesting that he has the coins, so we do not want to get into that issue, if that issue is settled because CSW is admitting it.
its not even about who was typing at the computer to decide identity.
Fair enough. Seems to be an issue that is not contested.
its the 'title' and rights of being the creators of bitcoin.
I don't see how it is about that either, even if you, franky1, want it to be about that.
(where by the judge would then let them both debate over the share of who was the identity and who should buy out who outside of court)
Sure, courts tend to be pretty receptive to the parties settling the matter outside of the court, especially in civil cases, which this still seems to only be a civil case, as far as I have heard about it, so far.
i do get it
You do?
CSW is a scammer and there is no asset. no coins nothing actually in reality to share. but inside the courtroom. is a different thing entirely
O.k. Maybe you are starting to get it? But I have my doubts.
CSW likes this because while the trust ownership/validity is in question the ATO are stuck. even they cant proceed without it being validated that CSW is the owner of the scam. or if the scam was a scam
Hm? Does not seem that they need to resolve all of those above issues in this case. You seem to be convoluting matters again, franky1. Right when I started to consider that you might be getting things, you ramble out a bunch of nonsense.
CSW likes this because the 2-3years delay allows him time to escape the statute of limitations of the current CIVIL case of non payment of ATO tax.
I doubt that ATO is going to let him "out of paying" taxes in Australia, especially since he has been engaging in fraud and concealment and tax authorities are not so easy to just let those kinds of things go based on some kind of supposed technicality. In other words, you are getting ahead of ur lil selfie, again, franky1.
which once outside the limitation period. the ATO cant then file criminal charges of evasion.
I doubt that the Australian Tax Office is going to consider itself as limited in its powers or jurisdiction as you seem to establish, franky1.
CSW likes this because ira is validating CSW claims by saying there was a partnership. meaning it keeps his 'money guys' happily funding CSW's many games while keeping the ATO at arms length
Seems a bit speculative, but hey, we are allowed to speculate here, I suppose. And you are part of the "speculative we," franky1. Congrats.
