Satoshi.  You new here? 

Sure, I’ll set that up for you after I’m done booking you with a personal meeting with President Trump.  :/

the tulip trust list was not even 'satoshi stash'
it has been proven now that CSW's ist of public keys are just random addresses he grabbed from the public blockchain
many people have shown that certain addresses never belonged to CSW as they were many people showing many addresses belonged to many other people.

this completely shows that both dave and csw had no assets.
this then shows that csw is liable to the australian court system. and also all the ponzi schemes he got private investments from on the bases of having tulip value. (which he never had)

i know a few idiots are humming the CSW god song. but that is because CSW doubled down and said even if he cant repay them now. he will sell his biography and his future books about how he scammed the community. and repay them that way..

but the idiots dont realise they are not going to get repaid.

your the idiot that is trying to get people onto other networks.
your the idiot that is saying that btc cant scale
sorry but its you that wants people on other networks. you even tell people if they dont like it they should fork off

grow up and stop being a fangirl and atleast stop flip flopping in and out of pretending to care about bitcoin while mostly advertising other networks as the place people should go to

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here is the thing that you keep forgetting
i have been loyl to btc. that does not mean i am an ass kisser to core. im loyal to the blockchain and data. this means when i see it changing in ways that decrease its utility on chain for users. then i call it out.
i have been doing this long before craig has even been a name in the crypto community. it is not me being influenced by him. it is him trying to find any thing he can from multiples sources.
so you have history reversed.


his aims do not align with mine. but sometimes he tries to repeat my rhetoric but with his bsv slant on it.
even you have to admit you have been arguing with me far before csw was a topic.

so grow up.
or atleast care about the bitcoin network and not your altcoin advertising. because its you who seems to be more influenced by people like him. atleast check your own rhetoric out.
i know you dont liek being called out as a puppet. or an ass kisser. but atleast recognise your stance is more leaning towards moving people off network than it is to increase utility on network.

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as for CSW.. i was calling him out ages ago. i mentioned years ago how fake his tulip trust was. but hey. if all you want is a merit from gmax. then i guess you will still be an ignorant idiot favouring the commercialisation plan away from btc being 'digital cash for the unbanked' .. but one you might wise up. but for now. it seems you only care about the ass kissing

so for now you will continually fail at your lame plans of calling out anyone who dont like the commercialisation plan of 'reserve currency for custodial service' networks. i know you want to try pigeon holing me. you tried it before. but my post history shows i have been calling things out before the pigeons even flew

i can guarantee you that i have alot more value stored in BTC than you do. and i do not need to be rubbing shoulders and hugged by people to be loyal to something. i can think independently and dont need to suck up to people.

try having one independent thought of your own that doesnt sound like a speech i heard someone else say.
have fun trying

back in 2015 he was introduced into a conference via a web call. that alone felt weird because no one knew him, yet certain named people on the panel knew of him and thats where he started to play his games. by tying himself to big names like nick szabo

but even in that first sighting of him trying to chum his way into notoriety it just felt fishy.
then when he started talking about his tulip trust. even then it was void of any evidence. he even admitted he made a text file of public keys and got his buddy to notorize the public keys.
that alone was early proof how empty of value it was.
that was way way way before even trying to fake a signing of it

so i hope people actually wake up and realise that dave and CSW never had or done any mining in 2009-2010. their trust never had any value EVER

the whole ira K and CSW court thing. is just a stall tactic. i feel that CSW bribed ira to start a court(frenemies) just to delay the australian government from proceeding with their case. where CSW is hoping he can just delay the inevitable until it passes the civil statutes of limitations for australian government to seen a refund from CSW.

however what CSW is doing now is pure criminal and not protected by the same statute of limitations. so sooner or later he has to just give up and realise he dug himself a hole so deep that it will bury him

people like calvin ayres is only friendly with CSW i believe because CSW is promising calvin some returns on calvins initial investment. but calvin wil find out soon that there wont be any money coming. so he might aswe drop his ass kissing.

.. and separately
certain egotistical maniacs who want to commercialise btc as a digital gold reserve vault for other networks, will just use this CSW drama to pigeon hole anyone that wants btc to remain as a useful digital cash that scales on network. by trying their commercial scripted best to say that if they dont get onboard the core commercial plan, they must belong in the CSW camp.
but thats just childish political nonsense. but they have not realised how stupid they sound when using this drama for their purpose

I think that the most logic that anyone can get from the matter is that Craig asserted that he was satoshi, and he used my 145 bitcoin addresses containing 7,250 coins trying to prove his claim.  The real owner said: "Look, he does not have control over such addresses, as he proclaims.  These are my coins and addresses."

Now, of course the court can assign intentions, and craig is likely trying to figure out ways that he made mistakes in labelling the addresses or saying that he used to have control but someone stole those keys.. blah blah.  He gets caught so many times, that he already does not have a whole hell of a lot of credibility with the court, but if some of the final questions might have to go to the jury rather than the court, so it might not be able to include some of the intentions if some of the matters are going to the jury, such as if there are reasonable disputes of some of the facts.

There is no need for the early bitcoiner to say that he knows who is satoshi and it is not craig, and so the signing of the coins is not exactly a slam dunk, but the more craig gets caught, the more clear it becomes that he is lying.  The court might already be inclined to believe that he is a liar, but I think that if there is any ambiguity, then some of the questions could end up in front of a jury to decide reasonable inferences that might go to intent and might not be direct evidence.  I don't claim to know all of the details, but I don't know if anyone has to show that they know who is satoshi in order to provide evidence that it is not craig. In other words, I don't even think anyone (important) in the court case is proclaiming that they know who is satoshi, but just showing that craig is not able to support his own claims.. whether it goes to the end question (about being satoshi) or some intermediate step claim of controlling certain addresses or the dumb lame ass claim of the courier or some of his other pie in the sky made up caught a big fish stories.

Of course, many of us have seen that craig has had other likely agenda points too, and some of his various shenanigans are merely to get dumb wishful thinking fucks about some of his claims to pump up his lameass coin in order that at some point he (and his buddy calvin) might be able to fork off and then take control over dormant BSV (such as what would have been the equivalent of Satoshi's coins) and trying to convince the dumb ass followers that it is just and good because craig is satoshi.. so it is not like giving them anything that they don't already deserve... .blah blah blah.. baloney.. and hoping to keep up the price of BSV during these various ploys.  But still even some of the dumb wishful fucks are having their doubts about craig (which many of us thought it should have been obvious within about 10 minutes of first hearing him talk - wasn't that 2014-ish?

There might be someone who actually knows who Satoshi is or was, in the event that he is not dead.   Does not seem  to be necessary that we know, and I suspect that if the real satoshi is (or has been) pointed out, he will just deny or deflect... but surely, if there were some irrefutable evidence then it might become more difficult to deny or deflect, I suppose.


Like I mentioned in my earlier post, I thought that it should have been pretty clear within about 10 minutes of his first proclaiming to be Satoshi in 2014 that he was full of shit. So, yeah, there has been more and more evidence showing the ongoing fraudulent nature of his various claims.


Maybe this is where we differ?  I don't really believe that it is that huge of a step, but maybe it could be helpful to convince some of the retards to dump their BSV.. but who knows, they might pump it instead, since it hardly has any liquidity, anyhow... The coins price is close to the same kind of fraud as those dweebs, craig and calvin.

I will agree that it feels kind of nice to see some more direct slaps in the face that might cause some public squirming and more nonsense public contradictions - including increasingly contributing to conclusions that anyone talking up the project are either scammers, pie in the sky dreamers living in a fantasy, or retarded. 

Sure there are likely some of the BSV sheisters who are trying to shed a lot of negative light on BSV because they believe that it makes the whole space look ridiculous, including bitcoin.. so there are some folks playing that angle to the extent they believe that they can get any traction out of it.



Well, I suppose that the longer that we do not know who he is (was) then the more likely that we might never know, yet I suppose that there will continue to be speculation, so I doubt that the topic is really going to go away.  In any event, I agree with the overall proposition that it is not really necessary to know who is satoshi, but if we happen to find out who is satoshi, then surely any of us investing in bitcoin should be prepared for that possible outcome too, even though currently it does not seem to be very likely that we will find out who satoshi is, at any time in the near future.


I don't know what is so curious about that.  There have been many times in which satoshi could have made a killing from his coins and even just moving a few coins, but he never moved any because it seems that he was not motivated financially by this project... at least that seems to be the fair inferences from the various evidence of none of his coins moving, at least so far not moving as far as we know.  Sure there could be some other explanations, and without more context, I am not sure how important it would be to necessarily explore so many possible explanations or motives beyond just that he did not seem to be specifically personally financially motivated.... Would it be detrimental if I am wrong in my own tentative conclusion?  Perhaps.  But I doubt that it is even necessary to explore whether I am wrong, unless some important and/or material facts develop.. otherwise we are just engaging in pie in the sky speculation.. about something that might not even happen or be important in real actual bitcoin dynamics, whether price, development, adoption, other networking effects or otherwise.


There are a variety of ways in which people view wealth, and surely a lot of people will change their perspectives about wealth and finances through their lives, too.

There are some people who feel content with modest levels of wealth or even just living in a kind of way that they believe is personally sustainable and covering all of their needs, and maybe with some emergency funds.  So, sometimes we cannot really extrapolate particulars about his particular situation, and it is also possible that he died, too.



Intriguing for a lot of people.. not only you.  That's for sure.  And, yeah, funny how there might be a lot of mystery holders from those early coins that have not moved... not just satoshi.. and so some of the early adopters have become known, but sometimes they just come out of the woodwork, as you indicated.


It is probably better to characterize bitcoin as a kind of pseudo anonymous rather than truly anonymous, and I surely do not feel technically competent enough to understand how various anonymity tools can be better used to ensure a decent level of anonymity... and I think that there are also some users historically who had thought that they were more anonymous than they ended up being, especially sometimes once one address is identified and sometimes it can end up having transactions that combine it with other addresses and then remove some levels of anonymity.

That (plus an extraordinary bit of tax fraud) might have been how it was before he got endorsed by the media and various 'authorities'...

Unfortunately, frakensteins monster came alive and none of the people involved in animating him seem to have thought to add an off-switch.

I don't think he lacks attention, he is getting attention more than what he deserves for years now. Either you are being sarcastic about fundraising to support him. He has enough BSV to pump and get himself checked.

Simple, he is insane and a liar. I think soon, he will be in jail.