Has anyone received funds back yet ? I dont know about a scammer label but maybe a "Consumer Alert" or "Under Review" is warranted untill the claims process is dealt with.
Some people have posted that they've received 50% of their claim back. I don't think anyone knows how the latest compromise will affect the payout process other than the fact that payouts will be reduced.
I don't see any point in giving Bitcoinica as an entity a scammer tag. It's not operating at the moment. It's just a brand name. It may never resume trading and if it does it may be under the control of parties who were unrelated to this series of disasters. If the same principals were to launch a similar endeavour or relaunch Bitcoinica then I think that a cautionary note would be appropriate but it would be meaningless right now.
You reasoning is wrong. Some of the same people run Intersango. Their customers deserve a warning, or do they not? So, if Bitcoinica was a scam, which more likely than not it was, then it is very much necessary and meaningful to give a scammer tag to these individuals and consequently to Intersango LTD. Either it was a scam (which most people by now have agreed upon) or it wasn't. After reading 76+ pages of so called "security" investigation and "payout" threads for over 2 months, there is little to nothing that can prove these guys are innocent. In fact, you even get a pretty good picture of their personalities, particularly about one very cranky, and arrogant, and even blackmailing Patrick.
Company name changes on the day of the hack? OMG.
Hacked three times in a row, unlocked accounts after the second hack? Come on. How naive do you have to be to buy into that story? When do we see the scammer tag applied? Who is responsible for it on this forum?
Failure to report a theft to the police seriously suggests involvement in the crime. IMO, the chief suspects in this crime are THE ENTIRE BITCOINICA TEAM.
And, no - the story is now completely fucking implausible. I refuse to believe these people are that fucking stupid.
I've also seen how phantomcircuit acts around legal issues - I bet that guy was REALLY CAREFUL about creating evidence to tie himself to criminal wrongdoing. But, his attitude seriously makes me think him MORE than capable and willing to be involved. IMO, anyone who is that careful with what he says, and how he says it, is usually carefully covering his tracks and making sure he doesn't misspeak, or divulge real incriminating evidence.
But, on the other hand, it seems that we're all good to "trust our friends" - and like in the case of bitconiica, give them preferential treatment. I would expect no less favoritism to be shown here on the forums.
I'm glad I wrote off the money after the first hack - though I've hoped a couple times to actually get it back, it seemed obvious then that it was an inside job, and I have seen nothing to change this. I suppose the thing that most surprises me is that they actually had enough funds still somewhere "verifiable" to have another loss (i.e mtgox) - I really expected to find that all the claims of theft were false, and simply to cover up the glaring absence of customer funds (which I believe were depleted LONG BEFORE THE FIRST HACK)
Anyhow, I pretty much don't see the point in any of this. No one is getting anymore money back, and no one is going to listen about these guys. Intersango will eventually close, and customers will lose funds there, but no one will listen, so they'll lose those funds with or without a scammer tag. (but I'm quite sure the whole team deserves to be listed, because THEY ARE ALL FAILING TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH (including genjix)
They have withheld information. phantomcircuit said "it's too complicated"
Lies usually are too complicated to really tell effectively.
The truth will set you free.
Scammers or not, they're all a bunch of liars.
