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Okay:) No worries I am not offended if that is what you think I am,,, but when you say second tier, and now you say Spurs is in top 20, then I am puzzled because first tier to me is the whole of premier league, la liga, serie A, bundesliga, etc,,, from all the "top seed" national leagues of uefa coefficient.
To be in top 20 european clubs and still becoming second tier, then how many tiers are there in over 100 clubs from all the big leagues?

I was thinking like there are good established teams, Spurs do not have like a wonderful past 30-40 years in champions league as far as I know, maybe I am ignorant, but when we talk about teams like city vs spurs, or bayern vs spurs, or psg vs spurs, or Barcelona vs spurs, or Madrid vs spurs, when I list these things, don't you think that those teams are "clearly" better, I am not saying just a bit better, I believe Chelsea for example is sometimes better and sometimes worse, you can be compared to that, but the teams I list are clearly better in almost every season for the past 30 years, there have been a few situations when they weren't but that was usually temporary (and in psg case, they became good after they got a rich owner like Chelsea).
So long story short there is like 5 to 10 teams in my mind at the top level, which are always there every season, and then there are "very great" teams like Chelsea, spurs, atlethico Madrid, inter, nowadays Leipzig and so forth, they are not bad at all, they are great too.