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    May 08, 2022, 02:54:57 AM
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    they get rekt it leaves a bitter taste which is then associated with anything crypto (I fear I may receive a batslap soon by jjg) related, even bitcoin.

    Even if some of us might not agree with what you are saying (it didn't seem to be too controversial of a position) and maybe even not agree with how you might be lumping the various asset classes, it still is way more helpful to see that you had used both the term bitcoin and the term crypto rather than just vaguely/amorphously referring to everything as "crypto."

    Disagreement is probably way better to deal with than vagueness.. and too much vagueness.. especially with a term that is already in itself vague (Crypto) just seems to devolve into misleading, even if the author might not have had intentions to mislead.



    Kind of helps to establish part of my post responding to you in the stock to flow thread... in which you seemed to have been complaining about BTC prices not going up fast enough..and the fact of the matter is that anyone who remains in BTC accumulation phase should be rejoicing that some of our seemingly inevitable UPpity price moves are actually taking a while to play out.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/9L5PC_O2osQ

    You seem to feel that I am a wee bit focused on you.  I see.

    Checking the 15 minute chart, looks like a dead cat without the bounce part, it just died.

    The BIP 119 ordeal doesn't help either. I'm against smart contracts support in Bitcoin, don't want Bitcoin turning into Ethereum with all that entails. I'm fairly optimistic BIP 119 will be rejected eventually, but it's going to get worse before it gets better.

    As of writing this Bitcoin fell off another cliff, from mid 36k down towards 35k USD.

    I'm with you modrobert...

    BIP 119 has some potentially problematic aspects that have not quite been figured out and/or discussed, and at least the proponent has backed off of his original assertion that such BIP is worthy of fast-track considerations...

    BIP119 was presented as something straightforward, simple and ONLY with upsides, yet it may well be a mechanism that would screw up our current transaction incentives within bitcoin in such a way that would end up causing it to potentially serve as an attack vector..

    It is seeming as if it may well be better to put those covenants/smart contracts on second or third layer of bitcoin rather than on the base layer.

    Guy Swan discussed the matter of potentially screwing up incentives in his podcast from a few days ago.

    Yeah, we cant put fungibility on the base layer but sure lets throw a attack vector on there so the scammers can run shitcoin P&D's all day.

    I doubt that I know enough about the topic, yet I understand that in some ways, fungibility remains tricky.

    Even though at the same time, I thought that the greater building on Taproot is going to help to address some of the fungibility matters and make it more difficult to trace transactions or even to end up having some levels of mixing or coin join/merging (those are probably not the right words) to possibly become standard practices that do not really cost much more to conduct...

    And, with any of these open source projects, it seems to take time for developers to build systems that are somewhat user-friendly and will end up contributing to greater adoption of something like privacy/fungibility systems.. and then perhaps inabilities for third parties/exchanges/governments to try to pressure/discourage/threaten normies from using those privacy/fungibility systems.

    Fungibility does come up quite a bit in regards to the various ways that privacy oriented folks realize that these systems and practices need to continue to be developed and made easier and easier.. if your coins are not already known/traceable, then do you have the ability to make them more private and non-traceable by using some of the newer developments (I am not even proclaiming that such great fungibility/privacy systems exist even though there are likely some members who are more able than others in that direction - but we see that even seemingly smart people get caught using faulty systems/practices (Canadian Trucker situation serves as a pretty good example of folks getting caught with their pants down in terms of some of the practices that they employed).

    I don't exactly feel articulate on the topic, even though I feel that I understand your concern Hueristic - while at the same time, I feel that you are taking an overly negative/pessimistic stance regarding current bitcoin capabilities or even possible ongoing developments, and maybe you are attributing too much blame to bitcoin rather than the likely many mistakes (or lack of prioritizing) that many bitcoiners seem to employ in their own practices.

    Many of us, including but not limited to yours truly, are probably guilty of some of that too.. because in my case, for example, I do not feel like much of a technical genius and sometimes I am ONLY willing to put in so much time in terms of some of the various protections while at the same time, there may be ONLY so much that normies might be doing - and there sometimes can be problems with people locking themselves out of their own coins because they end up overcomplicating some of the systems that they are trying to employ.
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