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    Quote from: AverageGlabella on March 02, 2023, 10:52:49 PM
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    lovin me some starlink also....about the only complaint i would voice is that it is a little power hungry...being totally off grid atm i am finding my battery bank is getting strained trying to run it 24/7
    turning off the auto snow melt feature helped some but running it and a mesh cuts into my energy budget pretty heavily
    setup was indeed painless and the wifi is good...android app is somewhat kludgy but has useful info
    all in all quite pleased so far
    What are you running it off? Solar power going into a battery bank and then running it directly off the battery pack into the satellite? Does it move or is it stationary? I cannot think why it would use as much energy as you say because if it does not have a motor it should just be pointing at the satellite and if that does not move it just sends the connection back. If it has a motor and follows the satellite I can see why it would use a lot of energy.

    it does have motors...and it moves around on its own when it needs too...once its locked in it should not moved around much tho
    i think its because it receives and transmits is why the power draw is higher than i would like...up to 140w...thats around 3.4k watt/hours per day
    it does not draw that all the time but it can

    solar is getting easier and cheaper and i think having the ability to support your own energy needs in this day in age is a must have
    you need 4 basic things and then all the bits and bobs to hook it together
    you need to generate electricity....maintain and convert the electricity your going to store..store that electricity and then use it...so that usually involves solar panels to generate...a charge controller to maintain and convert...batteries to store and a inverter to use said electricity

    there is tons of videos and self help sites out there for getting started

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    March 03, 2023, 12:42:48 AM
    Quote from: vapourminer on March 02, 2023, 11:33:12 PM
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    What are you running it (starlink) off? Solar power going into a battery bank and then running it directly off the battery pack into the satellite? Does it move or is it stationary? I cannot think why it would use as much energy as you say because if it does not have a motor it should just be pointing at the satellite and if that does not move it just sends the connection back. If it has a motor and follows the satellite I can see why it would use a lot of energy.

    the dish has motors (3 axis i think.. ) and does change. ive seen it pointing to varying degrees north and east as well as change its azmith (may have those terms wrong)

    anyway it does move, and there seems to be no real pattern. but as long as it works..

    btw my starlink and the rest of the network stack are on a UPS.  and i highly recommend a UPS at LEAST for the startlink. turns out if you power it off and on 3 times in a row it resets to a blank password and anyone can then take over your starlink. as starlink didnt bother with a dedicated hard reset switch on the router. so 3 power cycles is how it done.  so of course  3 power glitches in short succession is faily common around here. doh..   gotta wonder sometimes. great tech but the occasional horrid implementation.

    typical good gear bad soft ware.

    what UPS do you own? there are some good ones out there. with additional battery to add to it.





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    March 03, 2023, 12:48:46 AM
    Quote from: philipma1957 on March 02, 2023, 02:58:15 PM
    Quote from: AverageGlabella on March 02, 2023, 02:45:12 PM
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    My reason is because a lot of countries do not have internet every where. I lot of places in Africa need offline money and sending transactions offline with Bitcoin is difficult. It can be done by giving someone a seed of a set amount but that is not ideal. We need different currencies for different things. Bitcoin is the king when it comes to global transactions but when it comes to local and quick transactions physical might be better not always but in certain times.
    Satellite will become more popular and given enough time the whole world will have internet access. The only places that might struggle will be the places where they do not have any power but I think this will improve too. The world is evolving and as soon as Bitcoin takes off the places with no power or internet will be encouraged to develop if the rest of the world is using Bitcoin.

    I have to agree with you as satellites will achieve  world wide coverage in the next decade.

    Given the sheer mass of material that has to be shot into space on a regular base to keep things working I have my doubts this will be sustainable for a long time.

    Quote from: Prof. Sam Lawler: swearing about satellites
    Oh god I redid the math on re-entries:

    Each Starlink v2 sat weighs 1250kg.  They plan to have 42,000 of them in orbit.

    Each satellite has a planned lifetime of 5 years.  That means they'll be de-orbiting and replacing ALL of them every 5 years.

    That comes to 23 sats per day, which is 29 TONS OF SATELLITE every day.

    It doesn't go away, it gets added to the upper atmosphere.  Most of the mass is aluminum.  What the hell is that going to do? 

    WHY THE FUCK IS THIS OK?!

    ^ And again, that's only for Starlink, there are many more.

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    March 03, 2023, 12:54:03 AM
    Quote from: psycodad on March 03, 2023, 12:48:46 AM
    Quote from: philipma1957 on March 02, 2023, 02:58:15 PM
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    My reason is because a lot of countries do not have internet every where. I lot of places in Africa need offline money and sending transactions offline with Bitcoin is difficult. It can be done by giving someone a seed of a set amount but that is not ideal. We need different currencies for different things. Bitcoin is the king when it comes to global transactions but when it comes to local and quick transactions physical might be better not always but in certain times.
    Satellite will become more popular and given enough time the whole world will have internet access. The only places that might struggle will be the places where they do not have any power but I think this will improve too. The world is evolving and as soon as Bitcoin takes off the places with no power or internet will be encouraged to develop if the rest of the world is using Bitcoin.

    I have to agree with you as satellites will achieve  world wide coverage in the next decade.

    Given the sheer mass of material that has to be shot into space on a regular base to keep things working I have my doubts this will be sustainable for a long time.

    Quote from: Prof. Sam Lawler: swearing about satellites
    Oh god I redid the math on re-entries:

    Each Starlink v2 sat weighs 1250kg.  They plan to have 42,000 of them in orbit.

    Each satellite has a planned lifetime of 5 years.  That means they'll be de-orbiting and replacing ALL of them every 5 years.

    That comes to 23 sats per day, which is 29 TONS OF SATELLITE every day.

    It doesn't go away, it gets added to the upper atmosphere.  Most of the mass is aluminum.  What the hell is that going to do?  

    WHY THE FUCK IS THIS OK?!

    ^ And again, that's only for Starlink, there are many more.


    Who the fuck came up with that plan

    42,000 x 1250= 52,500,000 kg or ½ of an aircraft carrier.

    I imagine being aluminum would help it burn up better when it crashes



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    March 03, 2023, 01:05:15 AM
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    Quote from: psycodad on March 03, 2023, 12:48:46 AM
    Quote from: philipma1957 on March 02, 2023, 02:58:15 PM
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    My reason is because a lot of countries do not have internet every where. I lot of places in Africa need offline money and sending transactions offline with Bitcoin is difficult. It can be done by giving someone a seed of a set amount but that is not ideal. We need different currencies for different things. Bitcoin is the king when it comes to global transactions but when it comes to local and quick transactions physical might be better not always but in certain times.
    Satellite will become more popular and given enough time the whole world will have internet access. The only places that might struggle will be the places where they do not have any power but I think this will improve too. The world is evolving and as soon as Bitcoin takes off the places with no power or internet will be encouraged to develop if the rest of the world is using Bitcoin.

    I have to agree with you as satellites will achieve  world wide coverage in the next decade.

    Given the sheer mass of material that has to be shot into space on a regular base to keep things working I have my doubts this will be sustainable for a long time.

    Quote from: Prof. Sam Lawler: swearing about satellites
    Oh god I redid the math on re-entries:

    Each Starlink v2 sat weighs 1250kg.  They plan to have 42,000 of them in orbit.

    Each satellite has a planned lifetime of 5 years.  That means they'll be de-orbiting and replacing ALL of them every 5 years.

    That comes to 23 sats per day, which is 29 TONS OF SATELLITE every day.

    It doesn't go away, it gets added to the upper atmosphere.  Most of the mass is aluminum.  What the hell is that going to do?  

    WHY THE FUCK IS THIS OK?!

    ^ And again, that's only for Starlink, there are many more.


    To bring up the point about stupidity and government this goes to further proving that by playing the we are a stupid government card they will make endless money with these multiple launches.



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    least it go unsaid for too long....smile.....and fuck off juansnowgee!! its Thursday

    You could have been a wee bit MOAR nicer about it.

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    least it go unsaid for too long....smile.....and fuck off juansnowgee!! its Thursday

    You could have been a wee bit MOAR nicer about it.

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    starlink just became available in my area and im on it now. easy to self install (took about an hour including the roof mount and drilling holes for the cable run. kit comes with everything you need - 2 drill bits (a concrete/masonary bit for the through holes in the foundation, and one wood bit to drill mounting holes on the roof or siding and into studs/rafters, plus a couple kinds of sealers, templates, cable clips for running the line neatly, etc.

    and 99.9% uptime so far. speeds are pretty good, faster than any inet ive had available around here by a LOOOOONG shot... although the previous bar was pretty low indeed.

    tlrd: starlink rocks... blockchain cranks dling now. and just in time to grab all that bloat from nfts.... ah well progress is progress i guess.


    How much speed do you you get with it?

    depends on how i measure. starlink app says 183 Mb/s but i think thats wrong. i get a bit over 120 Mb/s (vaires) when dling a steam game for example. ive also seen it as low as 50 Mb/s.

    might be my setup.. my setup goes dish -> starlink router+ the optional addon ethernet breakout cable (extra cost) -> to my rack mounted managed switch -> to a wifi AP.. all hardwired. with cat5e

    so it depends on what machine is running the speed test on and how its connected. i can go on startlinks wifi, my netgear wifi AP or wired.

    still messing with it a bit. theres like 12 devices hanging off it.

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    starlink just became available in my area and im on it now. easy to self install (took about an hour including the roof mount and drilling holes for the cable run. kit comes with everything you need - 2 drill bits (a concrete/masonary bit for the through holes in the foundation, and one wood bit to drill mounting holes on the roof or siding and into studs/rafters, plus a couple kinds of sealers, templates, cable clips for running the line neatly, etc.

    and 99.9% uptime so far. speeds are pretty good, faster than any inet ive had available around here by a LOOOOONG shot... although the previous bar was pretty low indeed.

    tlrd: starlink rocks... blockchain cranks dling now. and just in time to grab all that bloat from nfts.... ah well progress is progress i guess.


    How much speed do you you get with it?

    depends on how i measure. starlink app says 183 Mb/s but i think thats wrong. i get a bit over 120 Mb/s (vaires) when dling a steam game for example. ive also seen it as low as 50 Mb/s.

    might be my setup.. my setup goes dish -> starlink router+ the optional addon ethernet breakout cable (extra cost) -> to my rack mounted managed switch -> to a wifi AP.. all hardwired. with cat5e

    so it depends on what machine is running the speed test on and how its connected. i can go on startlinks wifi, my netgear wifi AP or wired.

    still messing with it a bit. theres like 12 devices hanging off it.

    the switch could be 1ghi and if 12 devices are on it you will slow up.

    likely the router  is the bottle neck.

    still 50 mbs for your low is very good for a satellite.



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    the Kessler Syndrome is a real potential problem and most sat providers know this...that is why the push has come for low orbit constellations...not only is the performance better due to lower latency but de-orbits are quick and relatively clean

    roughly 40k metric tons of dust and debris impact our atmosphere each year

    https://www.astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2014/07/space-debris

    there has only been roughly 16k metric tons sent to orbit so far

    https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/88/what-is-the-total-mass-sent-into-orbit-over-all-history/5779#5779

    its good to remember that orbit means falling....at 17 thousand+ miles an hour...molecules stack up quickly at those speeds...and like most of the 100 metric tons of junk that rains down on earth daily it turns into a nice plasma


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    I would love starlink unfortunately I do not think it is in my area yet and I think it might be too expensive when it is available. I wonder how long it will take to get global coverage and if prices will go down or continue at the current rate. Starlink will probably take over the internet when it is fully running and there will be other companies trying to setup their own satellites or maybe rent them off of Elon Musk and resell the hardware.

    100+ speed will be enough for most people but what upload are you getting? I find that ISP provided internet through lines only get a small upload speed compared to the download but I do not know if they are intentionally limiting that because they should have enough resources and the cables can support more then the 20 I get.

    I know this might be sci fi talk for now but I wonder if we will ever get DIY satellites and combine that with a Bitcoin node. Maybe not as a professional product but as a fun hobby thing. I guess it would probably be illegal to launch your own satellites though.

    Quote from: Toxic2040 on March 03, 2023, 01:42:38 AM
    there has only been roughly 16k metric tons sent to orbit so far

    https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/88/what-is-the-total-mass-sent-into-orbit-over-all-history/5779#5779

    its good to remember that orbit means falling....at 17 thousand+ miles an hour...molecules stack up quickly at those speeds...and like most of the 100 metric tons of junk that rains down on earth daily it turns into a nice plasma
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    the dish has motors (3 axis i think.. ) and does change. ive seen it pointing to varying degrees north and east as well as change its azmith (may have those terms wrong)

    anyway it does move, and there seems to be no real pattern. but as long as it works..

    btw my starlink and the rest of the network stack are on a UPS.  and i highly recommend a UPS at LEAST for the startlink. turns out if you power it off and on 3 times in a row it resets to a blank password and anyone can then take over your starlink. as starlink didnt bother with a dedicated hard reset switch on the router. so 3 power cycles is how it done.  so of course  3 power glitches in short succession is faily common around here. doh..   gotta wonder sometimes. great tech but the occasional horrid implementation.

    typical good gear bad soft ware.

    what UPS do you own? there are some good ones out there. with additional battery to add to it.



    this one.. APC rack mount 1500VA sinewave

    https://www.amazon.com/APC-Smart-UPS-Battery-Rack-Mount-SMC1500-2U/dp/B007ZT2KV6

    and man it weighs like a ton.

    had it 4 years now no issues. prolly due for new batteries but it passes all self tests.

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    where did a thou suddenly go?
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    March 03, 2023, 01:51:53 AM
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    I would love starlink unfortunately I do not think it is in my area yet and I think it might be too expensive when it is available. I wonder how long it will take to get global coverage and if prices will go down or continue at the current rate. Starlink will probably take over the internet when it is fully running and there will be other companies trying to setup their own satellites or maybe rent them off of Elon Musk and resell the hardware.

    100+ speed will be enough for most people but what upload are you getting? I find that ISP provided internet through lines only get a small upload speed compared to the download but I do not know if they are intentionally limiting that because they should have enough resources and the cables can support more then the 20 I get.

    I know this might be sci fi talk for now but I wonder if we will ever get DIY satellites and combine that with a Bitcoin node. Maybe not as a professional product but as a fun hobby thing. I guess it would probably be illegal to launch your own satellites though.

    I am 200 down 50 up most of the time.

    I could pay for 1000 down and 150 up but so far I dont need that speed.

    I am mostly hardwire eth to a hard wire cable company.


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