I am surprized that you would publicize the third bug which is not batched.

Did you write the code and did you have a team of engineers?

I don't see how it could be undetectable if you don't give him access to the server. The problem is that if you don't know how to administer the server, you're going to have to get someone to do it for you, and you're going to have to trust them. It's possible to install a back door and hide it well enough that you'll never find it.

Personally I would never want to put myself in that situation.

No. You could easily do that yourself, it can be made rather painless. Something like a dice site is perfectly suitable to run on heroku (or another platform as a service), and combined with a managed database -- it would be very possible to have the devs never touch the production environment.

Some things are definitely going to be harder without prod access (e.g. load testing) and maybe some weird prod bugs will come in, but in general it's very doable.

The issue you need to worry more about, is the code being backdoored not the production environment.


If they don't have access to prod, they don't have access to the seeds -- and you'd rely on code review to prevent they're not leaked.



If you have lots of money, and want a gambling site built and want to put no trust in someone -- I can build it for you, seriously. I could use the cash, I just quit my job last Friday to focus full time on moneypot.com and had a few people wanted to leave also and work with me -- but I'm not making close to enough to pay anyone else's salary.  To make it work, I'd need ~12k/USD/month with a promise of a minimum of 6 months -- which would buy you two full time devs (with bitcoin experience) and me managing it.

The way I'd do is is make the core gambling part publicly available (where public could be anywhere from open source, to downloadable to something you send to a 3rd party auditor) -- and I'd teach you how to manage the production environment, where you and you alone would have access and set the appropriate variables.

Hi espringe,

I don't have lots of money. Would you consider some sort of partnership or commission or percentage of net profits for a certain amount of time (which can be 6 months, or 6 years) ?

Past performance of other similar sites (including JD) obviously don't reflect on future possibilities of a new site, by a different operator; but if this becomes successful to any degree approaching what JD has accomplished in a year, I will be content with 10% of the 10% of the site profits. (Lemme see, that was 19,000 profit, 10% is the commission or 1,900. And 10% of that is 19 BTC, per year... hmm, I may want to rethink how we split net profits, but yeah.)

You're asking "salary" is worth about 30 BTC per month.

I've been dreaming of a multi-player card game site (poker), but dice is simpler.

*edit* my math sucks. 10% of 1,900 is 190, per year. I can live with that.

I fixed it before you replied (or maybe at the same time). I was actually thinking of 1% at the time, but decided that's too low, and typed the wrong number.

12k$/month is for 2devs + him

60k$ total for a great job is not that pricey but you can get a good job for less!

Talk with them a lot, meet them, get as much infos as possible and understand what they are doing to avoid bad surprises

I believe he just needs employment for 6 months minimum. The site can be done after the first month, but he still gets paid for other work for the next 5 months for example.

Hi Dabs, I didn't see your message earlier

It would not really be possible. I made the offer as it would be something that would give me much needed financial stability. I want more of that, not less. Also developers also (especially here) want guaranteed cash every month, which is largely why they work for someone offering it and not run on their own.



Yeah, that's correct. The plan would involve poaching employees from where I used to work (who have actually asked me if I can). They're all rather dependent on their salary, so unless there's 6 months of runway it's something I can't do in good faith

If you're talking about DB, it was never his signature campaign so don't accuse Douglas of anything.