See this is the scale I prefer to look at things from in a 3 year forecast All going pretty much as expected...

Lol bottomed end of 2019, recovery top in June and on a downtrend ever since. Yeah I'm miles off!

It's a forecast of how traders would behave done in 2018. It's what I think the general trend was going to be after the top in 2018 (which you'll remember I saw coming at the start of the thread).

I'm telling you what the general trend will be, I'm not giving you TA to tell you exactly what levels to trade. I don't trade. I do like to try and rebalance BitCoin holdings in lines with the long term market cycles to try and optimise things but I think that's just prudent investing. It's the same as you might manage a regular stock portfolio. I'm not chasing quick profits trying to time buys and sells.

So you can tell yourself whatever you need in order to make yourself feel better - sure. I'm crazy, wrong and it'll never play out like this

Speculation sub-forum? I'm just part of the furniture. You don't have to take me seriously. It's up to you to figure out (and be honest) if you think I'm calling it as I see it, or whether this is "market manipulation" (lol). Just the 8 years of honest posts to go on, such a scammer I am check my forum rating!

The BitCoin spelling is a joke, its a little dig at all the BTC folk, and apparently it struck a nerve  if it makes me a troll/shill in your eyes (you know if you use the slur too much it loses all meaning) then so be it. In actual fact I think you have already made up your mind, so it's of little consequence to you what I say.

Why don't I toe the party line on BTC and the correct spelling of Bitcoin? you don't ask, but I will answer anyway as I am wont to do periodically

My understanding is born out of the research I have done over the years. My opinion is based on that research. Whilst I might listen to many folk, and pay attention public opinion I am not such a slave to "social standing" to let that shape my belief to any significant extent. It is only so I understand where I sit in relation to that.

One of the problems in the world right now as I see it, with the rise of the internet and more recently social media, is that life has become more like a popularity contest. The person that gets the most likes, that is seen to be the most <insert list of virtues>, is the person that most people look up to. Celebrity culture. A shallow take on life that almost precludes any deeper thinking for fear it might reveal that the emperor has no clothes. Once a person is dependant on validation of others, then it becomes a cage. It is a form of control. There is an irony in the rich and famous having less freedom than the man who gives up everything to live as a monk. The monk has chosen his poverty the celebrity cannot escape their lot.

Contrast the 'influencer' to the person that works hard out of the public eye. That the masses either do not see or regard as an outsider, a freak, someone not to be trusted because he doesn't validate the behaviour of the group. This person has little regard to the opinions of others, or their social standing. Their reward is the truth, and so they seek it above all.

For me, in that person, is true good. Directly in opposition to that person who *seems* to be good.

For in fact, to master the art of seeming to be good - one must spend all their time to this end. Leaving little time for the actual goodness.

This is not a new idea. This is one of the central themes in the socratic dialogue "The Republic" written by plato around 375BC.

What I have come to learn over the past year or so, is that so much has already been found. So much has been lost along the way.

I've barely scratched the surface here, and (probably to everyone's horror and/or derision) these are thing that I have learned is as a direct result of listening to Craig - he is the one that has taken time out of his schedule to lead a reading group, identify texts and lead discussion. Such scam, many exit.

What you see in public is a masterful charade - and you will come to see it, sooner or later - that is designed to filter out those would be sycophants, and crooks and thieves. The ones more concerned with their own self serving public image than they are with growing BitCoin (yes) into the massive network that he foresaw all those years ago and that only now others are starting to understand the true nature of. He continues to hide it in plain sight, those that look can see it quite clearly

Honestly. I am always open to explain BSV to anyone that is interested, to answer questions and/or point people in the direction of more information if I can't. I give answers, not arguments so if its the latter you are after don't bother.

If you are convinced that BSV is a scam, and BTC is Bitcoin etc then don't bother.

If you are open minded and feel that things don't quite add up with 1MB block, LN that (provably) doesn't scale and Blockstream's solution of moving to Liquid and every other boondoggle invention that has been been shoehorned into BTC. Then my door is always open

I suppose I could get really upset about begin called a troll, or a shill, or a gullible retard but for some reason I feel wholly indifferent.

I think that reason is that I know it doesn't really matter how people perceive me or what I say (That was supposed to be the central theme to my wall of text - sorry, I should have been more clear and/or succinct).

What really matters to me is Bitcoin. To see the fruition of what I saw all those years ago, as well as so much more than I ever imagined was possible. Whether or not other people see it yet is largely irrelevant. It feels like we have passed the point of no return now, and that its success is inevitable.

In much the same way as I was evangelising Bitcoin back then (except the lions den was slashdot at the time) I continue to do so now, because I want everyone to benefit from what it brings. Once you see it, you'll understand.

There seems to be no reason to take any of these matters personally.  Of course, you are asserting that you are inclined to stick to your guns about the way that you spell bitcoin and you also stuck in some thread irrelevant discussion in which were involved in trying to legitimize that bullshit scam project, aka bcash sv... so yeah, you deserve at least minimally to be called a few names for that kind of conduct.  Your feelings of indifference might establish the level of your adamancy about a scammy project rather than lending any credence to any kind of neutral objectivity that you might have been intending to portray.


Of course, I already understood that message about your not caring about perception, and I suppose that there is nothing wrong with your attempting to further explain that, to the extent that you concluded that it might be helpful and/or relevant.


Well, yeah, I suppose so.  Many of us in this space already likely already understand the Lindy effect concept, and so in that regard, the longer that a thing is in existence and serving some functions, the more likely that it is going to continue to exist and to serve those functions or adapt or whatever.  So, in that regard, bitcoin has been growing and growing and growing - which also means evolving and overcoming various challenges along the way, whether attacks or otherwise....

Surely, there have been a variety of milestones along the way in bitcoin in order to cause more confidence regarding its resilience and ability to sustain a variety of attacks.  I am not sure if we need to list all of the various attacks, but we can also likely agree that the attacks are NOT over, even if it seems to be clear that your vision of bitcoin is likely different from my own, if you believe that bsv has any meaningful role in the road forward instead of serving as one of the bitcoin attack vectors, yet, in any case, surely bitcoin's resiliency towards some of the various attacks have made it stronger, and even has shown its strength in a variety of ways.



I am not sure what you are talking about, exactly, but you seem to be engaging in one of those bullshit patronizing ploy attempts to suggest that you have some kind of higher level of knowledge or insight than me or other people in the bitcoin space, which is likely not even close to being true and likely going to be shown to be NOT true.

Sure, everyone has varying kinds of knowledge or specialities and some people are more technically inclined than others, yet many of us realize that bitcoin touches upon a variety of specialties.. whether technical, economic, social, legal, political, history and/or some other specialties, so anyone trying to assert that they have better insight about bitcoin because they have specialities in one or several of the areas might be largely engaging in a ploy rather than a genuine dialogue attempt.

Look, another enlightened turd chiming into pump the Bcash SV nonsense.... who feels that there is some kind of value in a piece of shit scam coin.



I feel so privileged to be acknowledged by your smug deity turdness, since I ONLY HODL bitcoin and not your lil purportedly enlightened scam token.

Look at you... attempting to get into bullshit and irrelevant technicalities, again.. just to distract from your own desires to take this thread into the irrelevancies of that trash coin, aka bcash sv...   the bcash sv tards are gloating... about their nonsense coin.

Yes, I have a few shitcoins that value less than 1% of the value of my BTC portfolio.  I largely ignore them because they are just kind of sitting there for me to look at how much they are losing every once in a while.  Do you want to know which ones, even though that topic seems to be largely irrelevant to my main points and even my overall approach to btc.. which you already likely recognize my approach to be focused almost entirely on bitcoin in terms of cryptos.. . AmiNOTrite?

You would be hilarious, jbreher, if you were not so damned annoying.  



 

You are brilliant.... I explained already, but you want to get into irrelevance because that happens to be your speciality.

Getting into the weeds, jbreher?

I surely don't have any problem with the topic of bitcoin...

But, you know that recent events of the last week (and a bit more) kind of made it irresistible for anyone to not at least refer to that other coin potentially having some contributory affect on overall BTC price dynamics - and whether true or not, surely can be tempting to mention such potential contributory factors upon price...

Anyhow, concerning bitcoin, you are prognosticating UP before DOWN? Is that what I am reading from what you just said? Interesting.

I recall that week of October 19th (and if I don't recall I can look at the charts), and especially October 25th was a very notorious day in bitcoinlandia (and in my memory too) with a rise (albeit a quick one) from $7,300 to $10,300 in about 12 hours constituting around a 42% price rise.  Thereafter, it took about a month for the price to come back down to $7,300 - but ended up going lower than $7,300 as we can look at charts to verify that the low reached $6,424 in mid December.

Those were kind of unique and special circumstances that were based upon where we were at then, and you are suggesting that 3 months later, bitcoin is capable of repeating the same starting out from a higher price point (currently $8,650 - and having had dropped from nearly $9,200 in the past 16 hours) but ending up at a lower place than it was on in mid December? 

Seems a bit wishful to me in terms of your expected extent of DOWN, and I would surmise that the odds are quite against you - even though I appreciate that your prediction is not exactly outlandish, while the BTC price pressures seem to be ongoingly towards the UP rather than the DOWN, .. but yeah, you might be saying UP before down, too.....

The fact that you are wanting to suggest that we are in an October 19-like situation, or am I misunderstanding what you are asserting/predicting?  In my thinking, if you happen to get it right, you have just won a low probability bet, because current situation is not looking good for what you are saying to be our purported sad state of affairs in mid-February-ish.