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Another nice try, @Nice_Try ;-)

But let's try it with logic: Assumed your theories about me would be true and I would believe to have so much influence that I could write the price down (I'm not that arrogant!), using sock-puppet-accounts etc., having the intention to buy cheap: What would be the most effective way to address that since you wouldn't ever be able to prove my intention or that I use other accounts (which one would you consider as that?)?

What I try to say is simple: Whatever my intentions might be, no matter if shady or if I just express my opinion honestly, the most effective way to address that would be to rebut on topic in any case. You just try to compromise what I say with the attempt to make readers believe that I would want to buy cheap. And I don't believe that you believe that. Out of your perspective it may make some sense, because you try to place a message like "tempus actually believes that this project has such a great quality that he puts some effort into getting it cheap" , or even better: "tempus was sent by a competitor! How great Savedroid must be that others are so scared that they go on attack".

But: Isn't that much more manipulative than what I do? Let me explain why the answer is "yes": Because you try just that and nothing else. You don't show up with arguments in favor of the project. You just focus on the market situation because that is what scares you when you have to read critique like mine. You don't try to rebut what critiques say and you don't say why this would be worth an Investment or just to stick to it. I'm not even sure that you really get what I try to explain here. But it's you who tries manipulative games. I don't blame you. Actually I challenge you to do a better job (while your question should be why that should be your job - shouldn't they have communicators in place to have this and other platforms at least under some control?)

Another important point, which I've already explained: If I would want to buy into this cheap, I wouldn't write in favor of a refund. Again: A refund would be positive for all Investors, those who chose to get their money back and those who still believe in this project. It would reduce supply (only if burned of course), it would reduce the risk of dumping on exchanges. I can not say that and be against anyone who is invested in this. And the team should be able to start with $20 mln as well, or do you believe that's not enough?

Binance:

"Binance.com launched on July 14th, 11 days after its ICO which raised $15m, (...)"
https://www.reddit.com/r/binance/comments/6zukht/binancecom_stats_and_bnb_valuation/

Not because it wasn't wanted but because they didn't hype it up like mad. Same with NEO (formerly Antshares). Their crowdfunding was in summer 2016. They've also raised about $15 mln (at that time it was the most expensive ICO I ever bought into - and just btw, it even fell below ICO-price first and for about 6 months). Factom in 2015: Only about $1 mln. Or Icon last summer: about $30 mln. I consider all of these as legit projects with professional teams who didn't hype the shit out of it. But this one needs about $50 mln just to make it's first steps? And they claim that it would have been easy to steal that money and even let ppl think they would have done that, but when Investors ask for refund: "no... we have to stick on the rules. that would only have been possible until 14 days after ICO!"

But yeah, I'm the shady one here. Dream on, honey!  


Btw, I have some good news for you: This topic and my posts are unlikely to have much impact. Reason is this: "Read 15476 times" since it was created in December. The activity was probably on it's high during the ICO and now it's about less than 100 clicks per day and not even 50% by different people. No need to be scared. But yeah, I don't like the usecase, I don't like how they treat their own supporters/Investors, I don't like how they've hyped it and how greedy they prove to be, I don't like how they communicate (if they do that at all) etc.  And not a single satoshi of mine will ever be on the buyside if this hits the exchanges.

The only thing I agree on is education. But my approach is totally different of course. I prefer a much softer approach of respectfully communicating arguments instead of pushing others into desperation first to keep holding them in a stockholm-syndrome-situation afterwards. And while Savedroid asked for payment in advance to deliver their educational torture, my posts are for free!  


Herr, die Not ist groß!
Die ich rief, die Geister,
Werd ich nun nicht los.

good points, but for savedroid.

Now they have the possibility (second chance) to take responsibility for their PR stunt and offer a refund for investors on goodwill (without any legal steps and ), which lost trust in them.

The latest pr stunt was too much in my opinion.

A lil bit more subtile would be nice, but it was too plumb this. Look at the Telegram group. People are still asking if it is scam or not day by day....

They were actually asking this also before the PR stunt.

Don`t tell me your useless lessons - and I will not tell you "where" you need to go

all those 40 ppl who joined the ama got a 20 min monlog about the fantastic project, and know for sure now, that savedroid don't care about their investors nor customers and there will be no refund, they don't even see a reason why they should refund.

that's the sad truth.

I still believe and hope in Escrow, trust, responsibility and that even in cryptospace are honorable people with a good reputation...

i do not have a problem with loosing funds, that's part of cryptos, but if savedroid get throught with that behaivior they don't differ from other scammers, with bubbling something about standards and trust and protecting people. they show, that they don't even care about their own investors and do not take any responsibility of their PR fail.

anyone watched German Q&A live in facebook? asked questions? is there anything fresh from the news?

@tempus you probably did not miss this opportunity, and pelted with questions devs?  

See, you accuse me to be manipulative, but just take a look at how you "quote" me. Of course you doesn't need to learn anything from me. Unlike to your favorite team I don't force anybody into anything. But just for the record, this is what I said about "lessons":

"I'll give you a simple lesson: Not just a given information is important, but also context and timing. Now let's take a look at their announcement: (...)"


Lesson 2: When it's about communication of a team it can tell you a lot if you pay attention on what they DON'T reply on.


If you are honest with yourself and just 1) think about what I've said there (actually that is pretty basic) and 2) if that is visible in this thread and pretty much everywhere Savedroid communicates and doesn't communicate and how they do it: It's possible to analyze a project pretty deep just with that approach.

What do you think about the AMA-sessions? Did he give the long awaited confirmation on the big exchange they claimed to have for SVD for example? Did he reply on the hard questions at all?

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