Not off-topic at all! Here's why. The Ukraine gifts from the US and Europe are paid for by the people of those countries in a very clever way. So, it's all on-topic regarding the way the people pay Ukraine. Here's how it works.

In countries where loans come from the US banking system, or the Euro banking system, the loans aren't really loans. Why not? Because the banks use the promissory notes for the loans as money. Promissory-note/money-in, cash/bank-check/money-out to the so-called borrower. Simply a creation of new money by the borrower and the bank. But only the bank knows it (most of the time).

Then when the people or the government pay the loans back over a period of so many years, they are attempting to pay the loan off the second time. The bank keeps the second payoff and sends it to the elites who are trying to run the world. And these folks are seeing to it that Ukraine gets a whole bunch of that money.

Right on-topic.

Besides, if banks charged negative interest on the loans, they wouldn't be hurt at all. Why not? They were prepaid the money they used to make the loans. They were prepaid this money in the form of the promissory notes.

Okay. Interest. But the thing that I was saying is, that even if there is ZERO interest, the borrower is still paying back the loan at least 2 times.

This makes the interest to be a little thing. Let me say it again, If there is zero interest, the borrower is still repaying the loan twice.

To my way of thinking, this is more important than interest, right? Especially if there isn't any interest, because the interest rate is set to zero, right?

Wrong! Of course, if BADeckerville happened to be a legal lending institution like a bank in the US, then you are right right. I mean, checks are treated as money. All those little pieces of paper on the floor of the stock exchanges are treated as money at some time in their life. The banks have been given legal permission to treat promissory notes as money... in fact, as newly created money.

The problem is that they are harming the borrowers when they require them to pay the loan off twice. But since the borrower doesn't realize what is going on, there isn't a whole lot he can say.

Search on "Tom Schauf, bank freedom."

In addition, the second payoff money is what the US and the wealthy use to direct US funds and armament to Ukraine. So, the common people are supporting the war without even realizing it, or realizing how.

I understand how you can be so easily duped by the banking system. Not all banking systems are the same. Just like the US is fighting Russia through the Ukraine.

But here is the point that answers it about US and Euro bank loans. When the banker gets the signed loan paperwork from the borrower, he deposits this paperwork in an account, just like it was a check or money order. In the same way that a check or money order is money, the loan paperwork is money as well. Then the banker withdraws the money and gives it to the borrower in the form of cash or a bank check.

An even trade. Borrower money to the banker in trade for banker money to the borrower. How do we know this to be true? The bank ledger shows the entries. Loan paperwork money in, and cash or bank check out.

The bank and the borrower created new money together. Most borrowers don't know this. That's why they pay the loan off the second time over the next 10 to 30 years.

If you don't want to believe it, just say so. But if you are seriously interest, study up on what Tom Schauf has to say, and why he is qualified to say it.

The fractional system is simply another system that banks are allowed to use by government to make more money. The families that own the banking system use both methods to get money to help pay for wars that they use to get even more money... like this Ukraine one.

When the bank treats it as money by depositing it, and when their ledger shows that they did, and since their pamphlets (from the Federal Reserve Bank) say that they have created new money with it, it is money. The loan is prepaid by the borrower, and shouldn't have to be repaid a second time over the years.

As far as needing a new thread, certainly we can stop talking about it in this thread. But think of how much money the banks have raked in over the years by collecting on the loan twice. And when interest is included, and when property is foreclosed on, and when the promissory notes are sold on the market, just think of the money going to the families who own the FED, to control the supporting of the Ukraine to fight with Russia... and all kinds of other things around the world.



EDIT: Besides, there already is a thread about this - https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/5414658.msg60995801#msg60995801.

The point about Nato countries welcoming other countries into Nato is, if the US wants to be honest, and uphold their agreement with Russia to not advance Nato, they have to veto other countries coming into Nato. But it seems so far that the US is constantly breaking their contracts with other nations. So, they probably won't veto this action... that is if it isn't just all talk in the first place.

USA should step up and activate Operation Gladio and install fascist governments
that them and UK are preparing since WW2 for situations like this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

So you don't remember. Were you even born back then?
This is the reason why Russia broke the Soviet Union up... an agreement that Nato wouldn't push further into former Soviet countries. Since then Russia has been focusing on fair and free trade with other nations. But the US has broken the agreement by extending Nato.

If you think that Russia doesn't have basic human rights, all you need to do is search Youtube for all the Russian videos that show the freedom they have.

They even have democracy among their leaders. They elect a person to be in power, and so far Putin has been successful in being what the majority wants. All governments are at least slightly different in their election methods. If you don't like their methods, be glad you aren't in Russia.

You are intentionally forgetting about the US/CIA coups done in Ukraine since 2014, that pushed US puppets into government control to make war on Russia. Russia's response was the invasion, to protect both Russian and Ukrainian people who were being mistreated by the Ukrainian puppet government.

Do you realize that the US and Nato countries have pumped nearly $100 billion into Ukraine for the war?... some in cash, and some in military machinery. It's being misused by Zelensky and the Ukrainian military... some of it being tucked away around the world for their future use if they don't conquer Russia (which they pretty well know by this time that they won't be able to do), and much of it being laundered back into the pockets of US government people.

Seems to me that you are missing a whole lot of what is really going on.

The news is probably not real, I am not even sure this is not ironic? However Putin is quite old, he has started this war because he is got maybe 5 to 10 years of good health and "good thinking" left and has decided that he wants a page on the history books. Yes, he will probably defecate on himself in a few years, after having defecated virtually over the thousands of people. Sad history page it will be.