In addition to smooth's list, I'd also add that a git SVN log covering the alleged 2 years would lean towards that. The dates can't be verified, but you can see a pattern of thinking develop, a slow maturation of code and ideas, the ongoing refactoring of code, modularising, bad decisions being reverted, OOP patterns and practices being applied over time, etc.

The "origins on the darknet" story does not preclude there being credible witnesses. Nor does the story begin and end there. If, as claimed, it was a major transactional currency at an international research institution, that would very likely have been discussed outside the darknet. In my experience (which spans >1 such institution, though certainly not all of them), I don't know any international research institutions which communicate entirely on the darknet.

Para os tugas. Vamos por isto a mexer porque o português é a sexta língua com mais nativos do mundo.
[XMR] MONERO - Cryptomoeda Segura, privada, não rastreável

(Translation: Portuguese guys. Lets get this thing moving because portuguese is the 6th language with the largest number of native speakers)

Also, do you guys know who arranged that translation? I think it would be a good idea to lock that thread and open one under the control of a monerian so that the OP could be updated as needed.

The whole bytecoin fiasco is stupefying. 
 
Anyone involved in crypto surely knew that bitcoin wasn't a gimmick, it was an incredible powerful invention with the power to change the world. 
 
Now, anyone intelligent enough to create Cryptonote and/or Bytecoin had to realize that this would be an even more profound invention. 
 
To reduce it to a premine scam, or to compromise the integrity of the distribution somehow is unthinkable (for profit) when you could just launch fairly and still own a titanic share of the next big thing. 
 
The *only* conclusion that I, as a rational outside observer, can come to is that something extremely fishy surrounds the entire existence of Bytecoin.  Perhaps even a false flag operation of sorts? 
 
Anyway, the less said about Bytecoin going forward, the better. 
 
It's dead Jim, and it's not going anywhere.  The only purpose it serves is one more FUD variable in a sea that's already chock full of them.

sharing the same view here. the most realistic scenario is still that BCN was launched from a somehow related group that had acces to the original developers work. It's also possible they split up because of some reasons. i dont think its reallistic that one person did it all alone, but cant really estimate this myself.

still feel that cryptonote too does not have much joy on our existence. i remember the time they launched that CN forking guide. it seemed precicely planned to me, published at the moment when it was able to cause damage and disruption. maybe it was the only way for some of the real devs to keep face, launching a scientific reference implementation.

was there never a statement from cryptonote regarding bytecoin ?

anyway this topic allready wasted soooo many pages of this thread all together..cant those really interested in it make a thread only for this? or necro this old thread ? (https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/740112.0)
because to be honest, i really dont care too much, i allready made up my mind as you could expect seeing me posting in this thread instead of bytecoin's

much luv

ByteCoin shows that distribution is very important. If you want 100% of all the coins just start your own company.

i personally neither trust cryptonote nor bytecoin. maybe its just because i have been watching this all more or less closely since the beginning...it all together gave a pretty clear picture to most of us i guess

no that was dark coin

Which is why I find it so bizarre when anyone (who is not an obvious sock puppet) defends them. Are they that gullible, that easily deluded? I don't even know.

How is monero in terms of non-currency usage? Is it possible to do smart contracts and such on monero? A lot of VCs and investors like bitcoin not for its use as a currency, but for its super secure public database, for its ability to do smart contracts and many other layers other than currency.

Is that possible, or is that inherently impossible (or extremely cumbersome) to do with monero because of the private nature of its blockchain?