Those who believe and will believe even when it contradicts their speculation and they don’t need proof of anything. I see no reason to dispute whether there is a God or not, because this question has no answer now. Every year there will be more facts in one direction or another.

''That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe.'' How do you know it's on of this traits if you don't know what god is? Why do you think god has to be 1 entity and not multiple? You cannot answer the question, there is no way to know if it was just one or many that created the universe which debunks your argument.

Nah, your argument is bad. We already discussed this many times, we always end up with you unable to answer why there has to be just 1 god as a creator of the universe and not multiple beings. Your argument does not rule the possibility of multiple beings as creators of the universe.

Even if we accept all your premises, we end up with ''something or someone/s'' must have created the universe and that something or someone/s have to be more ''complex'' than the universe.

Batty knows this, but he is a troll.  He will continue this thread forever. :/

Why would he admit anything?  Trolls don't work that way.  They operate by changing the subject constantly.  They will find something they think annoys you and play it to death.

Yes there has. For the god of the bible there are tons of facts that disprove him. For instance, the age of the earth or the universe are wrong in the bible. Also many other scientific errors regarding biology. Choosing to believe randomly in stuff is not a good way to live your life.

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

Where did I say that?

You posted it. Such can be expected from you. You seem to be willing to only accept the science that suits you. Science that shows the solidity of the Bible has all your science theories beat, hands down.

No it's not.

For eighty years (4+ generations) everyone forgot what happened.

The suddenly, four men remembered it in such fine detail? 

Read the bible!  - The four men reference each others stories, and the most original story talks about a temple that was built 80 years after the protagonist died.

Fiction.