That it will never be.


None of which has any relevance nor implication at all, even if it was true.

If there is any "best founder ever" then it's undoubtedly the bitcoin founder. All the kids that popped up after him are just substanceless derivatives.

I've always thought there is a strong possibility the anonymous cryptonote author "Nicholas van Saberhagen" actually IS "Satoshi Nakamoto"

N.S. S.N. for one thing, as an obvious intentional clue.

Second, Satoshi disappeared right around the time CN started.  And when he left, he said he was leaving to "pursue other things". It's not a huge stretch to consider that a redesign/reboot of his best idea would be what that was.

Very doubtful someone like him would just totally turn his back on what he'd already accomplished. It'd be very natural to want to start with a clean slate and design a "bitcoin 2.0" from the ground-up with no baggage of the 1.0 concept design.

Finally, the #1 and maybe ONLY, biggest obvious FLAW, in bitcoin's design intending to be "money" is that it isn't fully fungible.  Cryptonote (and thus, Monero) builds on the basic bitcoin design ideas to SOLVE that, and make the world's first crypto-currency that IS really "MONEY".

Satoshi never took any credit for cryptonote, of course, so this is all just wild speculation, and for more IF Hal Finney was Satoshi (or part of the team) and was diagnosed with his terminal illness at that time, he certainly would've been "thankful for today" when he started up Bytecoin (XMR precursor) even if maybe he erred a little bit on trying to structure it with the premine (to provide funds for his family after he was gone, maybe... something that Satoshi or the Satoshi Team did not do when they started up the BTC genesis block, of course.  Hal could be forgiven for that lapse in judgement at the time, and under the circumstances... I'd think.  Doesn't detract from his legacy or reputation IMHO at all...)

I have considered this as well.

Where it looks like it breaks down to me is the code.  Does not look like the same person.

my thought will be easily to 200 $

in the end monero never let me down but man i dont get the price movement at the moment 

But Monero did not have an ICO did they? Sorry, now I am really confused. Anybody mind elaborating a bit on this for me?     



Following the pattern of the last two pumps, I am guessing that we will probably hit about 210 dollars next time Monero pumps; and that pump will probably come pretty randomly.   

XMR was first offered by it's first miner. That was a kind of ICO.  Today "ICO" is understood to mean what old timers used to call a "pre-mine scam", crypto which lacks "fair distribution" - but then it was deemed a monetary instrument, owned as commons, a public good, while ICO tokens now are more like equity shares, a capitalization tool, a private good.

As regards price, I would say most Monero speculators are all-in at this point, and the reversal comes after bulls capitulate, and supply becomes constrained.  Whoever buys then will see the best gains which it is possible to obtain at this point in time.  Personally I am buying slowly as I don't know when next it takes off, although I hazard to guess that multisig (rumor or news) could be a catalyst. Below USD 80 I will speed up my accumulation.

You think a slow bleed under 80?

I don't know how depressed the market will be.  I don't know if ETH will save itself with a technical hail Mary, or by delaying the fork - or even experience a catastrophic failure (not likely, that).  We might just be seeing a healthy retrace in the broad sector, which will reverse on good sector news of some sort, for all I know.  Independent Catalonia could adopt Bitcoin as hard money. The next ICO could be so compelling that Soros goes all-in.  Predictions are hard, especially ones about the future.

What I do know with empirical certainty is that XMR is selling for half of what I sold it for on the last spike, so it feels plenty cheap to me.  

What I do know by force of market logic is that DNM demand will eventually (certainly less than a year, maybe less than 6 months) force a massive repricing.  I want to be holding big bags at that time.

After that... well I am still waiting for the demographic multiple slide to kick in.  It is late already.  When that happens we should see capital flight demand ramp up, and the biggest Monero bubble of all. The economic world around us will look pretty bad then.  Clearly it is not yet time, but it remains inevitable: Unless human immortality arrives to save the boomers, or robots create a new demand source, we are looking at a hard bottom in u.s. equities in 2024-2025, with SPX P/E in the 4-6 range.

Historical comparables to the coming secular bear are: 1965-1982, 17 years; 1915-1921, 6 years. (The 1929-1932 bear was not a generational one, so it is not comparable. It was more like the 2007-2009 crisis, leverage and policy driven. WW2 masked a secular bottom with total war, so that one is inadmissible.) We only have 7-8 years left before the bottom, so it should turn soon-ish, but central banks pumping cocaine into the veins of the economy could push the bull out to 2020, for all I know.  It will just make the crash more brutal in the end.

I probably won't live to see the next generational top after that, unless quantum immortality is a thing, or a friendly AGI appears.

Perhaps that, and Nicolas Bourbaki.