I love wisdom and science, which is why I oppose religion.  Faith is the antithesis of wisdom and science.

Religion requires belief without evidence, and without critical thinking...

Science promotes evidence based belief... and not just any evidence either, it must be 1) substantiated via experimentation, 2) repeatable and independently verified by multiple scientists, 3) withstand the scrutiny of the peer review process, 4) persist and stand the test of time

Religious beliefs/evidence do not do meet the criteria used by science


Why not?  I like to assess a situation from all sides before making a decision for my soul...

Did you believe the first religion that came along? (I assume the religion of your parents as most people)
Do you know a single aspect of Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism besides 'they evil heathens'?
What if Christianity is wrong, and the Hindus chose the correct religion?

Have you even read the bible?  I have read the bible, and that is the main reason I am an atheist...  no God would ever write that book, or condone the behavior in it.


I came across it playing a MUD on a BBS around 20 years ago, and it looked cool, so I started using it...

Without religion and "The Dark Ages", we would be 300+ years more advanced in terms of science and technology...  religion destroys science, murders scientists... religions burned the Library of Alexandria... not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES!

If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God?  He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...



Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...

According to the bible, Satan kills a baker's dozen, while God kills by the millions...
God orders the Israelites to murder by the hundreds of thousands, committing genocide over a dozen times!... completely wiping out civilizations!

First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Second, God does not take life away where mankind has not thrown it away already. In fact, it is through Jesus God that mankind has life on earth the second time. The first time mankind threw it away through the sin of Adam and Eve. God forgave them, and granted life to them so that you and I and all the rest of the people can have life.

How many opportunities does God give? Many. Every time a person thwarts and attempts to thwart the laws that God has set in place, and the person does not immediately die from doing so, God has saved the person for another day, and given him/her some more chances.

In the Old Testament, when people of nations turned away from God and were destroyed by Israel or God Himself, the idea was to make Israel strong so that Jesus could come at the right time to do His saving work. Without the saving work of Jesus, those nations would have not existed in the first place, would not have had a chance to live, and would not have had the chance to be saved. Their destruction was a thing that they were asking for by their actions against God. He was simply giving them what they asked for, and preparing the Jesus-way so that they could have life in the first place.

The point of all this is the example for you and all people. Are we going to be like the nations God destroyed? Or are we going to be like the people He saves?

Notice that all people, both godly and ungodly, die. The whole idea has to do with the salvation to eternal life. The second thing it has to do with is the avoidance of eternal damnation.

Your chances may not be over yet. You may not be locked into unbelief yet. Turn while you have a chance, before you lock yourself into damnation through your death in this life. Once you die, you have no more chance to be saved, because you have no more ability to turn and believe in Jesus salvation.

Even if you happened to be right regarding your honor, that you would not follow a God who was a murderer. What does it matter? You are still stupidly clinging to your eternal damnation for the sake of honor? Is it worth it for what you consider to be honor? On top of it, is it worth it in light of the fact that it might not be honor at all, but that you might be mistaken about what is honorable?

God created all. God sustains all. Mankind causes his own death by rejecting God, the only Sustainer of life.

Haven't we just been talking about the illegality of murder? Why do you ask such silly things? Even though my children are mine and my wife's as property, they are God's, as well, because He gives the kids their spirit.

How long will you continue to twist understanding all out of shape?



There God goes again. He hardens your heart. Why? Because you essentially asked Him to, simply by your thinking and actions. You saw where it got Pharaoh. But you keep right on asking for God to do it to you, just like Pharaoh did.

You should feel relieved that God isn't trying to set up a nation of Israel next to you. He just might have to rain some plagues down on you to show His glory to His people Israel. If that happened, you might forget all the many previous chances God gave you, simply because of the pain of the plagues. Rather, God is merciful towards you, calling to you, a lost (almost lost?) child, hoping for your salvation before it is too late for you.

Too bad the farmer hadn't opened his eyes.   

I think this is somewhat the thing we are talking about.

God made everything. He maintains everything, even your life, and all the good opportunities and pleasures you have... as well as the troubles, but He makes those bearable for you.

There is no way that any of us could maintain ourselves if we divorced ourselves from God. Without God, we would not have life.

Why are you so against God, since you yourself are a gift from Him to you? Doesn't seem to make sense for anyone to be against God.

Murder is purposely killing a person. Whether or not you own that person is not in the definition - the only important thing is whether or not the murder was "lawful".

If God exists and is omnipotent, or even only omniscient, it will obey no human laws and so if this God kills a person in a way that is not allowed by the laws of a particular nation, it does so unlawfully. It doesn't matter that you think this God's law should have primacy.

Given the above (God exists, God is at least omniscient) then if a person's death results from this God's actions in a way considered unlawful by a given nation, then that God has committed a  murder in that nation.

Interestingly this means that God cannot commit murder in countries that have religious laws since I'm fairly certain they would by definition  exempt their God from any crime.

  

God can't be left out of any of the picture. The whole operation of people dying is something that happens in the process of God maintaining every little thing in the universe. His maintenance of everything includes giving us death when we ask for it. This isn't the same as simple murder. Things are completely different from the God-standpoint than the man-standpoint.


God's law is to not murder. The laws of nations come about because people are basing their laws on what God has set in place... although often people mess God's perfect laws up when they don't consult Him first.


Quite the contrary. God is maintaining life. It is mankind who has brought death upon himself. However, since God controls everything, it is His doing that exercises mans' request for death, be that request by voice or by action.



Here is where you fail in your thinking. God has prepared a day of resurrection for all people, where He will bring us all back to life. At that time, he will separate the righteous from the unrighteous. The righteous are those who have believed in God for the salvation offered through His Son, Jesus. The unrighteous are those who have not believed God, or have sought salvation by some other method than Jesus even though they might have believed God exists.

You have a chance, now, by reading this writing. Come to faith in Jesus God before you lock yourself into unbelief by dying without faith. after all, once you are dead, you can't change anything about your situation.