You're right about not removing useless quotes. I mostly do it when on cellphone as it become a pain not to mess up what I actually wanted to quote. Guess I should take the habit to clean the unwanted stuff.

Quoting some posts is not a problem and in fact it is necessary sometimes, but doing it too often, or adding too many lengthy quotes into your posts will bore most of the users. You should also remember that there are many threads where most of posts haven't received good merits or any merits at all.

As JayJuanGee said, that you should give some time to research and learning here so you can contribute some good stuff to the forum that will probably be admired by the active and contributing users of forum. You should also read the posts that have been merited most of the time so you can see which posts can get you merits for your contributions.

You can check  LoyceV thread https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/5053587.0 where he listed most merited topics as it can give you some insight to posts topics that have been admired, and have gained the posters as well as other contributors some merit points.

Keep making those posts and the merit will surely come.


But if this was the system theymos actually implemented then people would be crying about that and probably much more so than they do with the current system because it is incredibly more difficult to earn merit. People are so against this system they'll propose anything just so they can oppose it in some way.


He doesn't even need any additional merits to join the campaign he keeps trying to; all he needs is to make decent posts, but I'm not going to merit people just for complaining at the system, especially when they're suggesting something much worse, but wouldn't have an issue in meriting other posts of his. He's just needlessly whining because he's not automatically a Hero or Legendary and this prevents him earning maximum in most campaigns but is irrelevant to Chipmixer so if I was him I'd just concentrate on my posts rather than anything else.

I think that you are giving too much benefit of the doubt to true disgruntledness of whiners.  Just like the BIG blockers.  They whine for the mere sake of whining, and likely based on pretextualized exaggerations.  After one or two substantive responses in which you can point out logic or even that the new merit system is NOT as bad as it is made out to be, they keep up with their bullshit whining about unfairness... rather than figuring out some way to rank up, if their true intention was to rank up (and start to question intentions, too when there is so much whining accompanied by exaggerations).


Actually, there is likely little to no harm in giving a few charitable merits, here and there, and even making a few mistakes in giving merits when they were barely deserved because ultimately, the good posters are still going to shine through and the disingenuine posters are going to have difficulties keeping up appearances, even if they get a few charitable posts.  And, every once in a while some seemingly undeserving members will start to improve themselves (and they just get through the negative transition and start to meaningfully contribute to the forum by helping other members). 


Actually, there are some members who seem to take this whole ranking up system too personally.  A member can have all kinds of status in the real world and still be a very low ranking member in the forum.  Such discrepancy should not matter too much because forum rank does depend, in part, based on contributing to the forum rather than being a wonderful, credible and even powerful person IRL.  In any regard, sometimes the strength of actual IRL experiences will sometimes show through forum posts, too., and if forum members value those kinds of sharing of information, merits will likely follow.

I agree with you regarding the more elite of the signature campaigns, you cannot just rush and get into them, because the elite ones are at that status kind of by definition and their paying of higher rates allow them to be selective in their choice of new members (even existing members) because they either they pay above and beyond the rest or they have some real world status that also attracts more higher ranked members wanting to join.

I don't know how it will impact the quality. Hope for the best but it will, at least, increase the productivity of sMerit. More people will be able to send sMerit. Thus, people complaining about the number of merit sources (some say we need more merit source) would be happy. Currently, most of the high ranked users don't give a fuck about merit. So, we are missing a lot of airdropped sMerit. If some people have the quality of gaining merit, s/he can probably have the ability to send Merit to qualitative posts. Thus, there will be more people for rewarding merits and as a result, the inequality for which some qualitative user may not get enough merit, will be fulfilled.

Unfortunately not each good post will bring you a merit, but if you wrote ten of them, the probability that you will be rewarded increases very much ...
This system isn't perfect... It isn't also always fair... sometimes poor posts receive many merits and great ones remain without any reward...
But as long the solution is based on people/users the system would be only as good as people involved in it...

as one said: "A chain is no stronger than its weakest link"



Yes, but it's very often true... ;-)
There will be always a spotlight on the Newbies but there's one solution - don't bother and do your job, when you wrote 5 - 10 - 15 good posts - I'm sure that other users stop comment your post that way...

I believe this is what you call 'equality'. Having the same condition passed out to everyone. I doubt that would solve or even reduce anything. Even in reality, equality is still a big issue and comes with alot of criticism.

I also believe what the system experienced in your explanation is 'equity' conditions given out differ due to certain situations. I don't reject this. If some users here got merit by virtue of their availability at the right time here, then that is not much of a big deal(though I still see some heros and legendary ranks struggle with rules which is shocking to me), like they are being compensated for their time with the forum as it launches a new era or period. Taking this away or even giving more merits to some users currently would also bring about more issues and incoming new users will still complain about the unfairness of the system.

Generally, the system/rules WOULD NOT always suit everyone and every condition. However, if its positive purpose is achieved to the majority then I consider it as a success.


I don't feel very comfortable with this..yes, Satoshi is a recognized figure here and otherwise. His posts are historic and has some form of direction and inspiration but continual meriting such posts doesn't seem very ideal to me. Reflecting on the past is good not continual compensation rather that should be used to focus on the present. This doesn't mean value in satoshi's post or works will reduce neither will meriting it increase its value anymore than it is.



This is one of the reasons spamming/plagiarism/repetition is still a major issue the forum has to always combat. In as much as we all don't want to entirely admit it, we humans, always want recognition almost immediately at all point if possible. Yes, there are lazy users that has no interests in contributing positive but only after what the he/she can take from the system yet, there are still that few that don't mind contributing as long as the will get the recognition.

Now and then, I see posts of existing users on parma-ban for mostly plagiarism and I wonder if these long term users never read the rules or the chose to ignore and why... Some part of me feels this may be the reason coupled with other factors like the individual just being lazy. I know we can't go all a sore of meriting all quality posts and all that but we can always make efforts noticed even through our comments. I know alot of new users appreciates when hero/lengendary users comment and share ideas relating to the new user's quality post. It gives feelings that almost competes with the feeling that comes with a merit.

Hey if they come here just to whine about the system then fk them! But if they Present ideas or solutions to the "problem" they think there is, I will gladly hear them out.


Exactly! People weren't making money back in the day through signature campaigns. I remember there was only one campaign of primedice. People used to spam more than 100 posts per week to get their 0.25 BTC. People hardly cared about the signature campaigns as there were far better ways to make money by offering different services. I don't know why people have this mindset of making "Ez" money by posting garbage which isn't true btw If you post garbage for a few weeks you won't get accepted into a decent campaign as far as I know. But these guys think its otherwise. I mean look at how many users got blacklisted in SMAS. Wish Lauda got back to the "managing" business. He was doing a fantastic job if you ask me.

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Lol, Each time I read or type the word Legend wait for it "dary". This Dude comes to my mind.

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Hmm interesting. It would be interesting to find out what is the average time for a post to get 'merited' and what's the chance of getting 'merited' after that average time has passed out. Obviously this stat will vary to different boards but still would be interesting. I hope DdmrDdmr can figure something out for this.

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You got that wrong, that's not what he suggested. He is asking for sort of a small "div" to appear when he clicks the merit button and send merit directly from the same page, instead go going on a separate page to merit the user. Just imagine reddit opened a new tab each time a user had to upvote or downvote a post.

Just this week I was going over this question on a PM basis, and I drew up some summarized information from a global perspective on the gap between the moment you publish a post, and the moment it receives sMerit. This is a summary:

-   56% of sMerit TXs go to posts created within 24h (13,73% within the first hour, 10,05% within the second hour, and so on).
-   8,09% of sMerit TXs merit posts on the second day.
-   4,38% of sMerit TXs merit posts on the third day.
-   2,79% of sMerit TXs merit posts on the fourth day.
-   2,10% of sMerit TXs merit posts on the fifth day.
-   1,78% of sMerit TXs merit posts on the sixth day.
-   1,34% of sMerit TXs merit posts on the seventh day.
-   5,61% of sMerit TXs merit posts during the second week.
-   3,05% of sMerit TXs merit posts during the third week.
-   2,03% of sMerit TXs merit posts during the fourth week.
-   12,33% of sMerit TXs merit posts after fourth weeks (likely outliers related to posts by @Theymos, @Satoshi, merit abuse cover-ups, and so on).

The information above is derived from a post I created at the end of May 2018 (see Forum Merited Messages- Does size count?). Things may have shifted a bit since then, but it does give us a reference to what you were talking about.

The don’t really … It’s because there are different granularities in the timescale for the provided information. The rise on the 5,61% values is during the second week, thus accounting for 7 days in that percentage. The figures before that value in the table are on a daily scale (since I considered it more interesting to break down the first week by day granularity). The real rise is the 12,33% which agglutinates from the fourth week onwards (therefore a large interval of time potentially).