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    February 26, 2014, 06:43:51 PM
     #37901
    Quote from: abctc on February 26, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
    If someone need testNXT, write here, or PM me.

    Yesterday I've tested AE a bit.. no problem found yet. You can try to buy some of my ABCs on testnet.

    please make an offer Wink
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    February 26, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
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    Interesting conversation regarding possibilities of Nxt Escrow with AT, would love some more input from technical minds.  

    https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/463731.msg5367276#msg5367276

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    February 26, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
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    Quote from: bitcoinpaul on February 26, 2014, 06:39:32 PM
    Quote from: CIYAM Open on February 26, 2014, 06:29:12 PM
    It seems that things like "proper analysis" are not things that this community wants to do or even hear about. Sad


    I have no freakin' clue why you come to this conclusion. I am extremely satisfied with and thankful for your contribution and we all discussed the algo today. Why do you suddenly think no one wants this?

    I also don't understand why such a conclusion. Many people sent me NXT since I've started writing formulas here (thanks a lot to all!!!), so I would say that there is interest in the community for such things.

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    February 26, 2014, 06:45:09 PM
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    Quote from: lophie on February 26, 2014, 06:40:00 PM
    some here 2457591381965084256   , Let me test
    - 9k testNXT sent.
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    February 26, 2014, 06:45:14 PM
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    https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3364.msg39381.html#msg39381

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    Is there anybody here that is actually serious about helping take NXT to the NEXT LEVEL?

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    February 26, 2014, 06:45:57 PM
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    Quote from: ChuckOne on February 26, 2014, 06:42:49 PM
    We need a probability distribution for these streaks. Absolute numbers are irrelevant.

    To be blunt - why don't you just fix it then (instead of asking me to do more work on it)?
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    February 26, 2014, 06:46:50 PM
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    Quote from: abctc on February 26, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
    If someone need testNXT, write here, or PM me.

    Yesterday I've tested AE a bit.. no problem found yet. You can try to buy some of my ABCs on testnet.

    could you send me some more please? -> 9998590259914237067

    thx abctc

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    February 26, 2014, 06:47:35 PM
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    Quote from: ChuckOne on February 26, 2014, 06:42:49 PM
    We need a probability distribution for these streaks. Absolute numbers are irrelevant.

    See the paper I linked here: https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/345619.msg5390133#msg5390133  (pages 202-204).

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    February 26, 2014, 06:47:52 PM
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    Quote from: CIYAM Open on February 26, 2014, 06:43:41 PM
    Quote from: bitcoinpaul on February 26, 2014, 06:39:32 PM
    I have no freakin' clue why you come to this conclusion. I am extremely satisfied with and thankful for your contribution and we all discussed the algo today. Why do you suddenly think no one wants this?

    Thanks for the kind words - it is perhaps a combination of being tired, not getting anyone else to work on the simulation and just getting more and more suggestions for alternative ways to do things when we don't already even know what it is doing that has led to me needing to "give it a rest".


    You deserve your rest but please, after that, keep it coming. I think the most of us are just silent (or suggest incentive ideas) because they have no clue what you are talking about.

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    February 26, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
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    Quote from: wakasaki808 on February 26, 2014, 06:21:59 PM
    Quote from: Jerical13 on February 26, 2014, 06:20:34 PM
    Quote from: Emule on February 26, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
    Quote from: Labteck on February 26, 2014, 05:16:03 PM
    How is going on the AE test? this is real markeeting, not speakers for freaks/geeks

    who the fuck cares?

    AE is not working that is why nobody talks about it.

    That is soooo short sighted to say. I will talk about it. It will be worth it when it's ready. The guys working on it don't have time to talk as they have there ears to the grind stone. what you wanna talk about?

    Don't worry about Emule...he's the NXT troll around these parts Wink

    I don't mind trolls. I was just wondering if he had any real arguments other than to say that the AE wasn't up yet.

    Work in progress Cheesy

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    February 26, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
     #37911
    Quote from: CIYAM Open on February 26, 2014, 04:15:24 PM
    Quote from: bitcoinpaul on February 26, 2014, 03:58:30 PM
    I believe in another thread (flaw thread) we came to the conclusion that it is important to have many accounts for modeling. 10 could be too few.

    It could be - so at the moment I am focusing on some more "worst-case scenarios".

    Once I am happy with the stats we are getting from those simulations then I will move to what are perhaps "more realistic scenarios".


    But mixing conceptually different worst-case scenarios will obscure causes.

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    February 26, 2014, 06:48:13 PM
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    Quote from: cc001 on February 26, 2014, 06:43:51 PM
    Quote from: abctc on February 26, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
    If someone need testNXT, write here, or PM me.
     You can try to buy some of my ABCs on testnet.
    please make an offer Wink
    - made!  only 8 test NXT for a precious ABC for your little Pinocchio!
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    February 26, 2014, 06:49:12 PM
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    Quote from: marcus03 on February 26, 2014, 06:41:59 PM
    Quote from: l8orre on February 26, 2014, 06:30:43 PM
    What about a liquid market? How can we simulate one? What kind of test cases can we come up with? Who actually IS testing the AE on the testNET? For sure I know about jl777 and myself but there are 2 or three others - wesleyh nexern marcus03 ??

    For now I'm done with AE implementation in my client. It might need a bit of polishing once there are lots of assets/orders/trades, but I'll be able to fix this pretty quickly.

    I myself, haven't seen any problems in the NRS side of the implementation.

    On a side note regarding my client: I've put a lot of work into implementing client-side signing in my client to be able to connect securely to trustless nodes, so that users don't have to start NRS at all and I can ditch NRS and java from my distribution. However, I think that it is currently not possible to use a NXT thin client, since the API doesn't have calls that return batches of transactions/orders/trades/peers with one call. As it is right now, it simply takes to long to do hundreds or thousands of separate calls to fetch hundreds or thousand of transactions/orders/trades/peers. Since I really think that thin clients are the way to go, you might not see any updates of my client until a batch mode is available.

    Seems to be quite fast for my client. Threading is what you need to do, and I also limit it to the last 50 bid aks orders.

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    February 26, 2014, 06:49:43 PM
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    Quote from: ChuckOne on February 26, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
    But mixing conceptually different worst-case scenarios will obscure causes.

    Your welcome to fix it (as stated - I am done with it - you have the source code now go and *code* rather than reply to posts).
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    February 26, 2014, 06:50:25 PM
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    Quote from: abctc on February 26, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
    If someone need testNXT, write here, or PM me.

    Yesterday I've tested AE a bit.. no problem found yet. You can try to buy some of my ABCs on testnet.

    May I ask what is your address number ?

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    February 26, 2014, 06:51:08 PM
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    Quote from: CIYAM Open on February 26, 2014, 05:46:34 PM
    Quote from: mthcl on February 26, 2014, 05:42:36 PM
    https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+of+f%28p%29%3Dp%281-exp%28-%281-p%29%2Fp%29%29%2F%281-p%29++for+p\in+%280%2C1%29

    Now this is the kind of thing that is *valuable* (more so than all the "suggestions" about different ways to do things).

    I am grateful to @mthcl for actually "doing some math" for us and hope that he will be able to help us to analyse things further in order to make some "scientific decisions" (rather than "populist" ones).

    EDIT: If some of the "whales" could spare some of their NXT then I would hope they would consider sending some his way.


    +1    600 nxt sent to him,ty^^

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    February 26, 2014, 06:52:28 PM
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    Quote from: rdanneskjoldr on February 26, 2014, 06:51:08 PM
    Quote from: CIYAM Open on February 26, 2014, 05:46:34 PM
    Quote from: mthcl on February 26, 2014, 05:42:36 PM
    https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+of+f%28p%29%3Dp%281-exp%28-%281-p%29%2Fp%29%29%2F%281-p%29++for+p\in+%280%2C1%29

    Now this is the kind of thing that is *valuable* (more so than all the "suggestions" about different ways to do things).

    I am grateful to @mthcl for actually "doing some math" for us and hope that he will be able to help us to analyse things further in order to make some "scientific decisions" (rather than "populist" ones).

    EDIT: If some of the "whales" could spare some of their NXT then I would hope they would consider sending some his way.


    +1    600 nxt sent to him,ty^^
    thx a lot!

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    February 26, 2014, 06:52:47 PM
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    Quote from: wesleyh on February 26, 2014, 06:49:12 PM
    Quote from: marcus03 on February 26, 2014, 06:41:59 PM
    Quote from: l8orre on February 26, 2014, 06:30:43 PM
    What about a liquid market? How can we simulate one? What kind of test cases can we come up with? Who actually IS testing the AE on the testNET? For sure I know about jl777 and myself but there are 2 or three others - wesleyh nexern marcus03 ??

    For now I'm done with AE implementation in my client. It might need a bit of polishing once there are lots of assets/orders/trades, but I'll be able to fix this pretty quickly.

    I myself, haven't seen any problems in the NRS side of the implementation.

    On a side note regarding my client: I've put a lot of work into implementing client-side signing in my client to be able to connect securely to trustless nodes, so that users don't have to start NRS at all and I can ditch NRS and java from my distribution. However, I think that it is currently not possible to use a NXT thin client, since the API doesn't have calls that return batches of transactions/orders/trades/peers with one call. As it is right now, it simply takes to long to do hundreds or thousands of separate calls to fetch hundreds or thousand of transactions/orders/trades/peers. Since I really think that thin clients are the way to go, you might not see any updates of my client until a batch mode is available.

    Seems to be quite fast for my client. Threading is what you need to do, and I also limit it to the last 50 bid aks orders.

    I do use threading and the problem can be circumvented for orders, since you are only really interested in the top orders.

    When a user adds an account, do you fetch all transactions for this account?

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    February 26, 2014, 06:53:22 PM
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    Quote from: l8orre on February 26, 2014, 06:30:43 PM
    Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on February 26, 2014, 05:36:44 PM
    Quote from: msin on February 26, 2014, 05:26:04 PM
    Agreed (minus the vulgar language), we can market AE when it's finished with testing and we are happy with it.

    Btw, who is really testing it? I got only a few bug reports.

    I don't really need AE working (I'm not a trader and don't need to IPO anything), so I can wait till April. The community should focus on testing if it does need AE.

    hm well ... I have tested all the basic functions: placeOrder (bis/ask) cancelOrder(bid/ask),issueAsset, transferAsset, trade. Fetch bidorder/askorder as TX from trade.
    The bug with the 'not enough funds'. I am still missing out on the scaling - whether it is 0.01nxt or 1 nxt, little things like that.

    May main focus atm is getting the modelView pulled straight in Qt, and then I'll have to switch from GET to POST in requests.

    What about a liquid market? How can we simulate one? What kind of test cases can we come up with? Who actually IS testing the AE on the testNET? For sure I know about jl777 and myself but there are 2 or three others - wesleyh nexern marcus03 ??

    Please chime in whoever is testing, so we can cook up something more lively!



    yes, we have to setup a more reallistic AE scenario and put some heavy load to predefined assets.
    i would suggest to coordinate this wthin the next days because we need a precise account balance
    tracking for this. i just added additional logfiles within the client to trace the balance and found some
    small diffs. not sure yet if this is a bug or not or a minor error within my code.

    all basic functions a workig very well from my side and the AE is cool. we need ths AE soon to built
    a bunch of services on top of this.

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    February 26, 2014, 06:53:30 PM
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    thnkas, 9 k test nxt recieved omg omg.
    Will take me a while to climb up again, But where is a will, there is a way...
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