That's nice, but has 0% relevance to Dash, which is the topic of this thread.

Please stay on topic, no matter how much you want to be a good cultist and attack-the-attackers.

That's nice, but has 0% relevance to Dash, which is the topic of this thread.

Please stay on topic, no matter how much you want to be a good cultist and attack-the-attackers.

There is a huge difference between Sybil attack at one particular time and Sybil attack over all time. Cost is one aspect of it, but not the only one. The former does allow you to be singled out and targeted and the latter does not. There is also an interference effect where multiple non-cooperating parties all trying to attack cancel each other out. This is forced if the attack can only go after the entire chain. But if the attacks can be targeted, different targets will likely have different attackers, so lack of interference is possible. The only possible Sybil attack on an entire chain requires not only that such an attack exist, but that there be only one attacker (attacking via a large premine is one way to start to accomplish this, although even then you have to continue the attack indefinitely or it will eventually burn out).

There is also minimal difference in "bloat" between any mixing protocols. In fact it is plausible that cryptographic mixing may turn out to be more efficient, because sub-linear methods exist. They have issues at the moment and aren't entirely practical, but they do at least exist. I can't think of any way to do sub-linear coinjoin mixing. I think it is just impossible (but I like to avoid using that word).

Finally there Sybil attacks on the one hand and vulnerabilities to intermediaries and/or third party surveillance on the other. These are distinct vulnerabilities. All mixing methods are vulnerable to the the former to some extent but not to the latter. It is an added risk to some methods.

You are completely spinning your wheels.

Both allow that, if the cryptographic functions check out. Both do not, if the cryptographic functions do not check out.

It isn't even possible to know that you are looking at a valid blockchain at all unless you verify the cryptographic functions. Dash, Bitcoin, whatever. Please learn how cryptocurrencies work. Or don't. It is certainly possible to speculate on them without understanding them. So it is up to you.

Is it happy hour here or something ? Wait, let me refrase that... is there any monero dev thats is currently not active on the Dash ANN thread under pseudo names ?

Please learn how accountants work.

"LoL"

What are you laughing at exactly? Toknormal's complete ineptitude? He couldn't even respond to the point... argument fail.

Toknormal

New budget proposals are up!!! https://dashtalk.org/threads/december-2015-budget-proposal.7210/page-2#post-75483  Dashwhale has all the budget proposal information besides this discussion thread

Yeah now we are talking.. the important stuff. Vote people, let your voice be heard !!

I also hope everyone will take some time off soon as we have two lenghty white papers to struggle through over a few days ....  
How many pages were they again ? I just hope Evan has a readable handwriting or those whitepapers will form a challenge 

I concur.  It's funny as they  seems to think that by spewing here that it might effect investment in DASH.  LOL. Serious well healed investors don't look for their investment insight on nerd fest boards. And any small fry that they may influence with their nonsense we are way better off without because their obviously to lazy to do real research, imo.