I agree with you, everyone who understands the basics of Bitcoin correctly, they all time decides to deposit and hold Bitcoin consistently, and DCA is the best for this, only by maintaining a long-term view in Bitcoin investment, real profit opportunities are created, otherwise you will never be able to achieve real success by thinking about short-term profits, because Bitcoin is successful in the long term. Therefore, in Bitcoin investment, a long-term planned decision is required and that decision must be completely fixed, in the meantime, never think about selling for short profits, and do not panic and decide to sell during fluctuation, you have to hold for the long term with patience.

One thing is getting started and moving up in the size of the bitcoin holdings, and another thing is having had invested in other areas and being in a position to be able to reallocate some or all of the other investment capital into bitcoin.  The more pure example might be the guy who barely has any other investments and/or savings and he has to pretty much start with whatever extra discretionary income that he can spare to put into bitcoin.

Accordingly, like your example, a guy who invests $30 per week would have had invested right around $1,560 after a year, so $10,560 after 10 years and $5,280 after 5 years.  $30 per week might not get him up to $100k in any short period of time, yet we can also presume that if he is a relatively young person, then he might be able to increase his discretionary income and potentially figure out ways to focus on prioritizing bitcoin earlier rather than later, yet of course there are trade offs, and maybe the first couple of years he tries to double his bitcoin investment allocation amount, so he goes from $30 per week, and then year 2 $60 per week, and then year 3 $100 per week and then year 4 $120 per week.. so he might be figuring out ways to increase his investment amount and even from time to time, he might have some extra lump sum amounts that he receives that he can put some or all of it into bitcoin, so even a guy with relatively modest amounts put into bitcoin over time can build up the total, and perhaps bitcoin will appreciate in value at various points, so that the total amount of value that is in bitcoin may well be several times or even magnitudes higher than the amount that he put into it.. so if the guy has a longer time horizon, he might start to really see a lot of progress after a couple of cycles, even though it is not guaranteed, but there are various precautions that each of us can take in regards to our own execution decisions and how we balance out our aggressiveness in investing into bitcoin, strengthening our cashflow management practices and even making sure that we are following good bitcoin security and/or protection of our coins practices, including perhaps having no more than 10% or 20% of all of our coins on exchanges, third parties and/or hot wallets... So the overwhelming majority of our coins are held in private wallets with a good portion of that in a form of cold storage that we might test out from time to time (yearly-ish? depending on how we are doing it - which even private storage options are changing through the years).

I think that even another point that was being made in your initial post (yixichloro2xx) was that you were suggesting to build the bitcoin holdings up to a certain level before even dabbling with shitcoins.  I am not sure about the necessity of this last point.  It is not a bad idea, yet I understand that people who want to get involved in shitcoins, trade and even gamble, they may well might want to do that at all levels of their being involved in bitcoin. Many times they cannot resist investing in shitcoins or trading and it seems better for them to have an avenue with limitations rather than suggesting that they completely say no to such activities, since they likely would not be able to resist anyhow and so even though it is likely better not to get involved in shitcoins/trading at all but at least if they set a limtiation on themselves, such as no more than 10% of their bitcoin, and then each time they get paid, they can only put up to 10% of the new money into shitcoining and/or trading which means that they cannot continue to draw from bitcoin when they lose part or all of their shitcoin/trading allocated amount, yet every time they get new money to invest into bitcoin, they can take up to 10% of that to put into shitcoining and/or trading.


I have made similar points in the past. There is a certain value that comes from persistence, and even a person who lump sum invests in the beginning and/or at various points through his bitcoin investment, he may well be even better off in terms of his bitcoin investment and also in terms of his psychology, if he is ongoingly engaging in bitcoin through investing into it, whether money or even some of his time and/or energies.


Exactly.  You might have had found it difficult to invest the first $20, but then maybe you go back over your budget and you keep looking into bitcoin, and then after another week or two you put in another $10 or $20 and then you arrange some things in your budget so that you are able to invest $10 every week no matter what, and perhaps bonus amounts on some weeks, and so  then every several months you make adjustments, and perhaps you are able to bring your weekly amount up to $30 and then to $50 and then to $70 and then to $100 and more, and yeah, it might take you a bit of time to be able to increase your weekly quantities and/or your abilities to earn or gain some lump sum amounts so that you can feel comfortable dedicating some lump sum amounts to bitcoin.  So, yeah investing can be a process with trade offs and ongoing commitment will frequently help to build our BTC holdings with the passage of time...and we may well end up being achieve way more BTC accumulation than we had thought possible and we also may end up being able to advantage more from potential future upside bitcoin volatility, especially if we might figure out reasonable/prudent ways to front-load our bitcoin investment.


Your bitcoin portfolio can get to a quite profitable place even with way less than 70x returns, and you could end up having 2x to 3x returns and still be way out performing various other assets, yet with the other advantages of bitcoin that relate to abilities to self-custody it and transact peer to peer without anyone being able to stop you.  That is powerful, even if your profits might not be high.

Surely another thing that many of us like to repeat on this thread is that level of profits is a bit of a curiousity, yet it need not be a main focus on any part of a persons investment into bitcoin.   Surely it is nice to know that our bitcoin holdings end up being worth multiples or even magnitudes more than the quantity that we had put into it, yet still one of the more important points for those of us who might consider living off of our bitcoin will still relate to how much income it can sustainably generate. so that when the quantity of bitcoin gets to a certain level and then it starts to have the ability to sustainably generate income at levels that are acceptable for our situation, then we likely become quite empowered by getting to such status..

and sure, if there might be situations that we would prefer to generate $30k per year of income off of our bitcoin, yet if we are measuring from valuating at the 200-WMA, and our stash is ONLY at a level to generate $5k per year of income, then even though it seems that we are still quite a distance from our goal, yet from my perspective if we are using the 200-WMA, the 200-WMA has been historically going up at such a great rate (and likely to continue going up at such a great rate), therefore bitcoin has been such a great way to figure out systems to still withdraw from it yet the bitcoin value is growing faster than our withdrawal rate... and it seems to me that even a guy who ONLY has a currently yearly withdrawal rate of merely $5k would be able to get to a yearly withdrawal rate of $30k within 6 years or so without even adding more bitcoin to the stash, and may well get there faster if continuing to add more bitcoin to the stash, which I have frequently suggested and investment timeline of 4-10 years or longer, which also might indicate that there could be a point in which 4-ish or so years prior to transitioning into sustainable withdrawal that a guy could discontinue to add to his bitcoin stash if he is planning to transition from accumulating and into sustainable withdrawal 4-ish years later.. so then the intermediary 4-ish year period might be referred to as a maintenance stage since it is mostly not involving either accumulation nor withdrawal.

Knowing the basics of Bitcoin will motivate you in the long run and will help you accumulation in the DCA method. Another idea that you will gain from knowing and understanding the basics of Bitcoin is that you must be financially successful in the future with priority the present. Initially I was inclined towards trading in the hope of profit but it is so mentally painful. The effect of short term you cannot sleep properly because your mind will always be restless to see your portfolio and you will always be eager to sell.

You don't have to worry about actual profits first. You have to think about how to grow your Bitcoin holdings and even how to structure your investment strategy to drive longer-term accumulation. To maintain a long-term perspective you should increase your emergency fund as much as possible. This is because if you have a normal/large amount of emergency fund and floating fund, it is easier to make aggressive buying at any bearish events.

The main goal is holding bitcoin for a longer duration, so taking advantage of every opportunity should be the priority, either dip buying or DCA method, and not selling off when it rises. In as much as one is consistent, and makes sure not to sell Bitcoin when dip comes, rather seeing it as an opportunity to buy more bitcoin aggressively in order to accumulate a larger amount when it rises. Bitcoin is the future for those who are familiar with bitcoin.

I really appreciate how the thread unfolded, especially around the idea of commitment vs. dollar amount.
The $100k benchmark is more symbolic than practical for many, especially those in developing economies or just starting their journey. It represents conviction and long-term thinking, not a mandatory entry fee. The danger is that when we anchor the idea of “seriousness” to a large number, we risk alienating the exact people we hope to encourage.
What really matters is the mindset. A person stacking $30 or $40 a week with consistency, over years, is often more aligned with Bitcoin’s core principles discipline, patience, and long-term vision than someone who throws in six figures overnight and vanishes.
Everyone starts somewhere. Some of us began with pocket change and a ton of doubt. But with each weekly buy, that doubt turns into knowledge, and the small stack starts to look a lot more powerful when viewed through the lens of time and conviction.
Also, completely agree with the idea that if people are going to explore stictions or trading, it’s better they do so with firm boundaries after they’ve secured a solid Bitcoin foundation. Even a 5–10% “fun allocation” is only manageable when the core is strong and untouchable.
At the end of the day, Bitcoin is not just about number sit's about resilience. Whether you're stacking sats from side hustles or reallocating legacy investments, the key is to keep showing up.
As they say: "It’s not about timing the market, it’s about time in the market."

Investing in bitcoin and holding it for the long term is the main goal of bitcoin investment, and that is the only process in which you will be in good profit in bitcoin investment. But as a low coiner targeting to buy bitcoin in a dip, you are never taking advantage of the market because you are supposed to adopt the DCA strategy at the start of your bitcoin investment so that you could have a chance of accumulating bitcoin consistently and stacking up your bitcoin without waiting for the price you aren't sure when it will come, which can possibly delay you from investing in bitcoin and stacking up your bitcoin. When you have accumulated a good quantity of bitcoin, then you can think about using different strategies to accumulate bitcoin and take advantage of the market.

and not only people that are familiar with bitcoin would wish they are buying when the price is down because it is big opportunity for people to actually buy and then store it because when you able to buy buy at a very low price and only a few number of people that can be able to buy at once but when you can afford it then the best you can di is for you to do the DCA because that is like the easiest way to invest because the price can actually be discouraging because how many people can afford it.

Especially when the price is high because there periods that the price will go up and we can not even be able to afford  so the only way out is the DCA so when is not DCA then i don't think there no any other way way out, and it is better to get a job because when you don't have money there is no way that you will be able to do DCA so a source of income is very important this is part of the season why a lot of people are selling because they don't have a means to earn money for there upkeep.

I don’t think buying BTC when the price is falling is considered as a must buy to those who are familiar with bitcoin especially for investors whose initial strategy is focused on the long term goal of accumulating consistently and hodl, as a matter of fact they don’t even tends to pay much attention to the market price, all what they care about is to consistently  accumulate with their discretionary income no matter what the price is. And when the time to buy  when the price is low presents itself, they only take it as an added bonus or advantage to make use of it to increase their level of accumulation and not a basis upon which they are investing with (buying the dips). As a bitcoin investor, knowing fully well that bitcoin investment is a long term investment, and at such your priority is to focus on consistently accumulating your bitcoin with your discretionary income either on weekly or monthly basis depending on how your income flows. With this, you don’t give priority to a must buy only when the price is falling. And gradually you’re building up your portfolio with your little by little and consistent accumulation and holding for the long term goal.

It seems to me that even if we describe 10% as the very maximum, guys will have hard times sticking with 10% because they will end up identifying  "opportunities" that cause them to feel that they need to put more into the "opportunities" in order to really advantage from such "opportunities."

So like with any gambler, they cannot resist, so the placing of a 10% limit will actually ONLY save a few that are inclined to learning and inclined towards recognizing why there is a limit.. including that like you mentioned, they are able to explore curiosities, learn and perhaps not get so distracted by the money angle.. since they should attempt to appreciate that shitcoins are shit, even if there might be some of them that might spark their curiosity.


Personally, I am not trying to sell anything or to convince people about what they should do, since there need to be some internal motivation for anyone looking at getting involved in bitcoin, and surely some humbleness in trying to learn the relevant parts and to sort through disinformation.  So in the end each of us has to make our own decisions and decide for ourselves what is likely a better path for us, even if we might not do everything perfectly, we are figuring out a reasonably good plan that fits us and within our financial and psychological parameters.

It surely is a good thing to try to use some examples, yet each of us are going to likely realize that examples are not always going to be relatable, so if there might be an assumption of someone investing into bitcoin for a whole cycle or more or maybe assumptions about guys having investments in other places, then they may well be able to front load larger amounts into bitcoin, .. so if a relatively poor guy with a salary of around $10k per year had been investing between $10 and $50 per week into bitcoin over 5 years or more, then maybe over a year he had invested something in the ball park of $1,500 per year and so then after 5 years he would have had invested right around $7,500, which is 75% of his annual salary.. so he may well be starting to feel that he is getting serious amounts in bitcoin, and yeah, he might not have any other investments because his income does not really allow it.. ..  ..

yet I also mentioned that I believe that the point that yixichloro2xx was making might not have had been exactly the greatest point, and if he is saying to build up your bitcoin investment first before getting involved in shitcoins, so he was using $100k as a suggestion of having had gotten to a good place even though your point is taken that some others might consider much lower amounts as being getting to a serious amount.  Yet at the same time, if any of us is giving examples that seem out of reach and difficult to relate to, then surely folks have to figure out how to relate or how to learn from the examples, since there is ONLY so much handholding that any of us might want to do or be able to do... and if guys get scared away because they cannot relate to the example, then that may well be on them to figured out how to relate to the information and to attempt to account for any ideas that they might consider to be helpful in their own attempts at progressing in their bitcoin investment and their cashflow management practices.


There surely is some value in staying engaged.


I agree bitcoin first, but some people are going to want to shitcoin and trade, and so it might be difficult to help them to stay mostly focused on bitcoin.


Yep.  Fun or for training or for curiosity or for exploring... I frequently suggest  that I am not recommending shitcoining and/or training at all, yet my fall back position is that if you are going to shitcoin and you cannot resist shitcoin, trading and/or gambling, at least you should restrict it to no more than 10% of your bitcoin stash.. and at the same time, I am not recommending getting into shitcoins. but just helping to give some guidance for guys who are going to get into shitcoins no matter what I say.  They cannot resist.


Sure, in the end if there is any way that we can help no coiners to get involved in bitcoin, then they are going to be in a better position if they at least get started investing into bitcoin rather than not.. yet at the same time, I am not going to concede that there is value in trading and/or shitcoining to bring value into bitcoin, yet if some folks end up having some lucky outcomes, then we cannot necessarily ignore the actual facts. and sometimes if they have had repeated success in trading and/or shitcoins, there could be some circumstances in which they end up going more heavily down the shitcoin and/or trading path... so we might not be in a position to influence them away from shitcoining and/or trading and it is their choice, ultimately..


Some people are motivated by trying to compete against others or maybe even compete against differing versions of themselves in order to try to attain a level of personal achievement that is better than  other courses of action that they might have had taken.


Not everyone can be saved, and each of us learns at our own pace. Some of us will come around to bitcoin at our own pace, and some of us might stay in shitcoins for a long time.

The shitcoin talking points can be very convincing, and sometimes it can be difficult to get someone who is lured onto some shitcoin to consider bitcoin instead or to consider limiting his investment into such shitcoin that he is all hot and bothered about.