I cannot speak about incidences that have happened before I have joined, however quite honestly I feel that the current complaints are completely unfounded for the most part, at least from the most vocal people, there may be less vocal people who have legitimate concerns but I wouldn't know as I have not heard from them.
I think that these people are still reacting based on things that have happened in the past, and not on what is happening now, I ask these people to let go of the past and focus on the present.

In this particular instance, an offer was made to the community at large, the overwhelming majority accepted it, one or two people did not.
One in particular (LTex) was very loud and vocal about it, and made a counter offer - the counter offer would have involved (a) Doing multiple things in a way that LTex prescribed (b) Taking money from only one person, something that is (at least in my opinion) far more prone to corruption as it lends power and influence to that individual.
Faced with the choice of going with the original plan - which the community at large accepted and was happy to fund with an overwhelmingly fast response - or going with a less desirable plan that came with various terms we were not happy with we took the first - this seems to me reasonable. Roel, on behalf of the team tried to address LTex's concerns on the forum as much as reasonable, however the team cannot and will not be beholden to a small minority of the community, no decision of any importance will ever have 100% backing of everybody.

I can assure you that had the response from the *community at large* been negative and not so overwhelmingly positive, then it would have been a completely different story.

I'm sure we will continue to discuss as a team what we can improve and where as well as continuing to take pointers from the community at large. However, and this is important, for any decision there will always be people who do *not* get there way, and we simply cannot control how those people feel or react to this.

I know no such thing. Nobody can 'own' open source code, especially if they are not even the people working on it.
Ask Oracle how 'owning' OpenOffice or various other open source products worked out for them, the second they bought it the developers all fled, eventually out of desperation they gave OpenOffice away to Apache but still it is a has been with a completely new fork LibreOffice rising in its place.

I read those PMs as your complain that the software was preventing the price going up to higher. I guess I misread that. I also remembered someone (and I thought it was you, but can't find any reference for that any more) asking me to remove high sell orders earlier this year. Sorry for that misunderstanding.

I cannot speak about incidences that have happened before I have joined, however quite honestly I feel that the current complaints are completely unfounded for the most part, at least from the most vocal people, there may be less vocal people who have legitimate concerns but I wouldn't know as I have not heard from them.
I think that these people are still reacting based on things that have happened in the past, and not on what is happening now, I ask these people to let go of the past and focus on the present.

I'm sure we will continue to discuss as a team what we can improve and where as well as continuing to take pointers from the community at large. However, and this is important, for any decision there will always be people who do *not* get there way, and we simply cannot control how those people feel or react to this.

I know no such thing. Nobody can 'own' open source code, especially if they are not even the people working on it.
Ask Oracle how 'owning' OpenOffice or various other open source products worked out for them, the second they bought it the developers all fled, eventually out of desperation they gave OpenOffice away to Apache but still it is a has been with a completely new fork LibreOffice rising in its place.

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Nope, I just asked why your software works like it works and I told you very high sell orders dont exude confidence towards new people.
But hey... why trowing mud anyway? You don't like how I talk to LTEX or what? Just keep that between us and don't throw sand in peoples eyes.

LTEX can defend himself... no need for me to help him (I'm not his B*tch ).

We've funded a lot of development using premine, without asking permission. Android for example, funded by premine, not one complaint about that. Recent wallets? Funded by premine. I can give many other examples, but see for yourself developer.gulden.com/premine. Oh Gulden.com? Funded by premine. There is something all these projects have in common, they are all improving Gulden. And that is exactly what the premine is for, clearly stated on the front page and premine page: 170 million NLG was reserved for financing development, security, hosting, community projects, marketing and other miscellaneous expenses.

Almost 2000 people in the Netherlands downloaded Guldenwallet, those people can't update anymore or promote it, because it's been removed from the App Store. New users with an iPhone? Bad luck. Gulden for Windows, for Linux, for Mac, for Android and for iPhone, essential for the success of Gulden. We wont ask the community if we should develop a better wallet and we will not ask the community if iPhone users should have a wallet.

Then if the solution does not only help Gulden but also Nocks, a company that... Well I don't think I have to explain anyone why we want Nocks: Paying at every Bitcoin merchant, most communities would beg for such a feature.

So no we are not gonna stand still, start a foundation and have endless discussions, we are gonna move forward like we've been doing since day one.

But the only difference is along the road one person started making a lot of noise. Noise about his future projects, noise about his never finished projects, noise about how the dev team is not working for him, listening, or taking money from him. And some listen to that noise, but the big majority doesn't, so neither will we. It's just noise, from one person. Well, we are here to change the whole financial system, there will be much bigger money-waving with loud mouths. And they also won't impress us, because our focus is on making Gulden a common payment method in the Netherlands.

We won't change our methods, because it is working very well. So if you don't like it, I suggest looking at other projects, there is a countrycoin that is perfect for some people, you will find all the great developers and managers you want in a project.

For the people that like our methods. Welcome, together we write history.

Thanks @ Rijk for taking a firm stance, I respect that   I for one have great faith and trust in the vision and leadership qualities of the devs. If you just keep doing your thing, and if LTEX continues building projects and hopefully create Guldex, then all should be well. I think it's very clear now where the distinction lines are drawn between the devs and the community. I hope the Gulden devs keep on doing their thing as they have been doing up untill now and that the community itself should organise and consolidate mainly on their own strength. Devs should do dev-business, and perhaps LTEX can have a big role to play when it comes to the expansion and the consolidation of the community by delivering more awesome projects, I am sure he gains everyones' attention and respect if he manages to pull off Guldex.  

MaNI you weren't lying when you said updates will come much faster. Is this a forced upgrade?

This is low even for you Rijk! I only started to make noise when the silence from you after my decent and well funded questions became embracing and unbearable.

I haven't in any way complained about you not working for me or any of my initiatives (never have!) The only thing I did was raise a normal question about my reservations towards funding and using a privately owned company (of one of your known closest friends in this community). I have offered direct and instant financial support to maintain pace in going forward, without compromising the pureness of the premine.

The noise you refer to does not come from me (one person) but from a vast majority. You only chose to listen to the ones that blindly follow your awesomeness. The ones that stop and think about things every once in a while get banned by posts like you just posted.

You my friend, are really nothing shy of a dictator! Only dictators use their power to accuse their adversaries to be who they really are themselves!

For the record, we are taking down the sell wall now, our point has been made. No use to confuse guys like Barry anymore on this...