I do agree gulden.zone was much busier and I think people are not advanced enough or used to using the new official forum. Instead of Frais carrying on with gulden.zone he punishes the whole community that was using it and I can't even PM to ask if he wants to sell his coins to me if he has any left. Are these people 12 years old?

On the official forum if the team see it's not attracting as many users then it's not unreasonable to go to a old school forum format like simple machines that people are more comfortable with. You guys are obviously ahead of your time because of the work you doing but it doesn't equate to the rest of the people being as advanced as you are.

All this pissing and whinging about a forum and disagreements between the 'groups' is fucking embarrassing.

Just because you own a large amount of coins it doesn't give you the right to dictate to anyone which direction the coin should take. Just because you may have done a lot for the coin of your own accord, it doesn't give you the right to dictate to anyone which direction the coin should take. Just because you think you know better than the devs (and you might do - who knows), well guess what. It doesn't give you the right to dictate to anyone which direction the coin should take.

If you don't like the way things are going with Gulden it's very simple. Sell your fucking coins and fuck off. Jesus.

LTEX I know Biomike and criptoe are your sock puppets and the team will have there sock puppets supporting them. You do the thinking for biomike and criptoe and team does thinking for it's supporters. Not everyone can have their needs met.

I have an idea for the team, shutdown the official forum and let a person in the community build one. 99% of the other coins have forums setup by community then it doesn't become your issue and everyone is content. Like others have said it's a waste of time for the team to be focussing on something as trivial as a forum.

I truly don't know where you always get the impression I'm controlling anything or have sock puppets working for me. FYI, I'm the only one here that is member of Criptoe, no other active member here as far as I know. And BioMike is a big boy, that can perfectly speak for himself. As far as I'm concerned I'm one of the community members of Gulden, just as you are. I might be a bit more concerned with things than others, but that doesn't mean I'm trying to dictate things.


Now this is something I fully agree on. This is also the reason why this discussion keeps coming back again and again. Why? Because it's not us, the community members who get to decide what forum is going to be used, that is being dictated by the ones in control of the media, being the Dev's. They refuse to cooperate in building a community forum the community (by large majority) asks for. They singlesidedly changed "our" forum overnight into something very technical, without any consultation whatsoever. A vast majority complained about that and kept asking to go back to the old one. Up to this moment, Rijk refuses to even discuss that.

So explain to me how the dev team is here only to serve the majority of the community, while they even refuse to let that community use their main means of existence the way they ask for?

For the record, I'm more than happy to accommodate in any way a new community build forum that is run by the community itself. I can provide servers, licenses, cash, time and knowledge. All the dev team has to do is say they will acknowledge that forum and link forum.gulden.com to it...

When I make a mistake I usually say sorry and try to correct whatever I have done wrong. In this case the respons was slightly different (STFU and accept our way bitches) resulting in this ongoing discussion. DeVries didn't close his .zone forum because he wants to let down this community, he did so because he realized he could never do any good with it because he got backstabbed by Rijk time and time again. I want to build (or a facilitate it it least) a new forum, but not if it gets ignored and bypassed by the devteam the same way the .zone forum has.

Anyone can setup a forum around Gulden, should they wish so.

Yet it cannot be expected from the devteam, to have them involved in every fora regarding Gulden with "official" questions.
Those kinda questions, which would require a devteam involvement or direct answer, could be asked here, or on the official forum. Should those kind of questions be asked NOT here or NOT on the official forum, those questions should be re-directed towards; it is kinda illogical, to expect other way around...  

Oh FFS. It's their coin. If you start a coin you can do whatever the fuck you like with it. I don't go down to my bank and start chucking chairs about if I don't like the way they do things. I MOVE TO ANOTHER BANK.

I've been in this coin from the beginning and there's only one thing that has made me question my position and that is the actions of you and your 'supporters' during the recent 1680 sell wall debacle. I wonder how many potential investors swerved it when they saw you throwing your toys out of the pram.

All of this because the dev team won't listen to you. Awww diddums. I bet you were one of those kids that got a prize everytime you played weren't you.

Very true, however I would like to say that when community members pointed out questions on zone to me (or asked for assistance answering questions on zone) I did in fact help where possible, but yes I certainly can't spend all my time being active on every single different outlet, and as the community grows there will be more and more channels, slack, reddit, facebook, google+, more forums, it certainly isn't reasonable to expect the devs to actively pour energy into every single forum that pops up.

These allegations that the dev team had some sort of a problem with zone or sabotaged it or whatever else certain people are trying to make it sound like are completely unfounded and have no basis in reality.

AMEN brother! Join in constructive conversation instead of divide and conquer.