Sir, kindly reply to the evidence presented above or admit that you are ignoring it.

Right away I know your tall tale about "the evolution of mankind" is a fiction which you dare not specify with adequate detail (see above, especially the Pye article). Who is really telling us a fairy tale here???

Meta-biological (spiritual) evolution is more suited to the evolution of "man" today than ever before.

In my opinion, if anything, the return of the mysterious (and miraculous) has been greeted more quickly by women in our society than anyone else. You should definitely check out "The Way of the Wizard" and/or "Deepak Chopra The Essential DVD Collection" to better understand spiritual law and the role of the mysterious in your own life.

Look around; it's time for all sorts of wonderful things to begin to bloom and blossom and there are wonderful products out there (for Mind-Body healing).

Christians believe Jesus is a pedophile because they sing this song about him.

Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Black and yellow, red and white
They're all precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world

I guess he's pretty freaky.

Still trying to appear as different members? Your joke's wore that thin, we can see through the veil.. if I'm wrong, I dont care, for supporting paedofeelya's by giving them the time of day is as bad as being one..

Cant discuss scientific proof of god, no, just made up masonic bullshit, not one shred of evidence yet huh?

Still not including the tree's eh?

None of ya.. I mean the BaDICKer Vod Oyo The Joint scam ring of course..

We'd need god just to figure out who's NOT in this ring..

Same old shit is boring.. same crappy bible shit, same, look, i am opposite of what your saying.. nah.. you's played yourself's..

Ps, thanks for keeping this thread at the top of this sub-forum

Still nae tip for you though.. 

Looks to me like atheists (humanists) have a lot of explaining to do.

Yet, the testing has produced so few results with regard to the interpretations which become theory adjustments, that there almost isn't any reasons to go on, except for the applications to the real world that the results of the testing provide, results that are produce by practical application of the tests, through engineering.

As long as "science" continues to come up with fantastic, stupid theories like Big Bang, 13 or 14 billion year universe, life from evolution, dark matter and dark energy, the sun and stars being powered by nuclear reactions, molten core of the earth, and multitudes of other fantastic things that it can't begin to prove by any stretch of the imagination, science is more of a religion than science, even though it uses the scientific method to test out and produce many results.

Science theory of today is far more a religion than any of the other religions of the world, and its god is the scientific theorist.

You didn't correct me at all. You simply said some stuff. You really need to study about the difference between theory and actuality.


There you go again, mixing up the issue. And it is intentional.

What does the fact that nuclear reactions exist, have to do with whether or not the sun operates by nuclear reactions? Nothing. You are either completely non-scientific, or else you want simple minded people to believe that scientists can determine things just by saying them. We have never been to the sun, have never scooped out part of it to analyze it, have not determined that there is absolutely not other method by which the sun can operate. In fact, electric cosmos theory fits the operation of the sun far better than nuclear theory.


Read the Bible. It fits the things observed in nature, and in the actual sociology of mankind, far better than any scientific observations or theories.



There you go again, listing more neat ideas that have absolutely no fact to back what is being suggested by the ideas. In fact, the only reasons that many of the theories are still theories is that many scientists keep wanting them to be theories, and keep on saying that they are theories, so that people think that they are theories, when in fact they have been debunked as theories over and over, again and again, time after time... like the idea of life from evolution.

When science can show that there is no possible other way that the sun can operate, then some of your reference material that the sun is nuclear might be accurate. However, even then, if the steps for the nuclear reactions in the sun haven't been proven, such ideas are simply ideas only. There might be other, different, steps.

Simply because science has provided a plausible method that shows that the sun could be nuclear, doesn't mean that the sun IS nuclear. It all lies in the realm of theory or ideas. When theory or ideas are touted as fact, they become religion or at least similar to religion.

this sort of debate is very useful & productive if nobody loses their temper.

I agree. The things you presented are not theories. They are ideas, presently in the realm of fiction.

Volcanoes don't prove that molten anything comes up from the core through 2,000 miles of supposed mantle to get to the surface.

Because you or anyone else says that nuclear processes are related to what goes on in the sun, doesn't necessarily make it so.


Oh, now people are supposed to believe YOU when you say that religious texts are based on lies, etc.

Now you are not being factual. I have said that it is the scientists and those who believe unproven science have only faith. My faith is not blind faith because there are multitudes of facts from the Bible and nature that show the things that I believe in. The things at the link https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 show this. The Bible is not inaccurate. Rather, it is the people who do not understand the ways that the Bible is correct who are inaccurate.



See, there you go again, making assumptions about people of past ages, assumptions that you don't know are accurate, because you were never there. Ignore the man, Graham Hancock, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcPgIphDWGY. Rather, focus on the evidences he and many others are providing that people of the prehistoric past were probably more intelligent, and possibly further advanced than we are today.

Scientists and engineers creating what they call a mini-sun here on earth, only shows that they can do this thing that they are doing. It doesn't prove that the sun or stars are nuclear.

It is way sadder to see that some people want to see things proven so badly, that they make up stories that say things have been proven out by science, when in reality science hasn't proven much of anything. Why not believe the Bible witnesses?

You seem to be using a definition for "science" that the joint would not agree with. Of course, true science and God coexist. God made the universe. Thus, the things of true science exist right along side of God.

What isn't correct among scientists is often the fictional stories that they make up about science. For example. The Big Bang theory is a fictional story. There is absolutely no scientific basis in fact for it. Why not? Because there are too many unknown variables that could negate the whole BB theory. One would need a proper kind of time viewer to say BB was anything like fact.

Outside of the actual proven things of science - the lab work, the observations - the rest of it is almost pure fiction.

Bible is eye witness reports.

I do not think you have gotten into the evidence at all; it seems like you have ignored it.
Here is your chance to disprove spirits and the afterlife: simply provide the most parsimonious explanation for the Eisenbeiss case or give an adequate reason for rejecting that evidence.



This is a skeptical fallacy and it is addressed at the skeptical fallacies page; in short, Karl Popper disagrees with you:




Surely you can admit that at the core of religion is a kernel of truth, as discussed at length in Spencer's treatise "First Principles". Any concept used to explain creation must involve self-existence, and this is literally unthinkable, so you would not be able to understand the creation anyway; God is simply a word that refers you to this mystery; God dwells WITHIN YOU and so YOU are also creator. The materialist theory of life is no longer scientific; I refer you to my "Bonus Link" and the Origin of Life Prize.


Kindly reference these texts and I will talk to you again when you at least feel like addressing the scientific evidence for the afterlife.