It helped me. I had the exact same question for them. Thanks!

J/

Bitpop, you are the poster boy of how not to behave in this environment.

That is so incredibly irresponsible I don't know where to begin.

Risking bankruptcy is no laughing matter, and I hope someone else steps in and schools you on this matter as I very much doubt you will adhere to my words.

Bankruptcy is very, very serious and screws your credit history hard!

I've also seen you post a lot of nonsense to raise your post count and beat upon another forum member selling his pre-order for no reason than you want to troll. If this a reflection on you being young, immature, and careless; then seek professional advice on what potential bankruptcy entails for your future.

Really, really f-in stupid move. I hope anyone else considering this as par for the course in lending/borrowing money to fund speculation reads this and does not follow Bitpop's example. Google has tonnes of info on why this is very, very dumb. Moneysavingexpert.com would be an ideal place to start research, do it!

Do not put yourself into bankruptcy over what is tantamount to gambling, albeit what we hope is an educated gamble, for sure there are members here not making informed decisions, Bitpop congrats, you have just confirmed yourself as one of them...

Bargraphics, presumably has more money than sense to wire transfer $60k+, not sure what he expects as an outcome of flying to Sweden will be if this doesn't work out?! Nothing will be the likely outcome!

He might be trolling.....

Debt is the root of all evil. The early Christians knew it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

The result today is that in order to pay off debt, our modern Western Economies require infinite growth. In a finite environment. Doh!

+1. Incidentally forcing people to undertake university education before they've been taught about debt and usury, let alone knowing what they want from life (presuming cooperate life is nothing most would choose given an 'educated' choice) is helping that situation no end!!

Absolutely right!

But banks don't exist without debt, so it makes perfect sense (to them) to indoctrinate a whole swathe of middle class kids into that way of life. Call me a cynic.....

Make no mistake, ORSoC knows exactly what type of mentality Sam and Andreas possess, and already have a plan of action in place. Remember, ORSoC has had bitcoiners on staff prior to this recently partnership.

Their payment page has been updated. What happened to the 50% paid upfront and 50% paid 3 weeks prior to shipping? https://www.kncminer.com/pages/payment

ordered 1 jupiter and was wondering...(for a possible second jupiter)

Use my new order number #687 or my old pre-order ID
Order ID: 1778
The desired goods: Jupiter

DPoS... Stop being an ass... seleme is exactly right, Just because Person "A" clicks a button on lets say May 15th for example, then person "B" PAYS for his order on June 3rd BEFORE person "A" has done so, Person "A" should NOT be placed before Person "B".

Money Talks... and this is the equivalent of someone cutting the line which In in most places would earn you an asswhoopin.

but I digress... The price you pay for participating in a specialized market...

Disclaimer: I have paid as of June 4. Now, I get to watch as 500 others get their product before me, regardless of when they paid.

3 months only? Not so much then.

Anyway, when I speak of "old busines strategy", I don't necessarily imply fraud. It's a sound practice to keep your business running in case of, say, "Force Majeure". You can more easily dump the toxic bit that way. In Europe it's still costly, but it's usually less than "total loss". I wouldn't be surprised if the IP stayed with ORSoC "just in case".