I was considering a pre-order hoped they would show something new and provide proof, I guess we gotta wait until august.  Bfl may beat them lol

Dude, unless you're tight with BFL_Josh, or have something he wants like an online magazine with huge readership for his own pr purposes, you are unlikely to see a BFL miner for a very long time, after which unless you are mining for the purpose of aiding the Bitcoin movement and it's security.

The BFL pre-orderers are already discovering that.

Best wait until the Avalon chips are here and on a proven stable board. There will be many resellers then. Failing that stand back and follow more efficient chip development a that I the only other route into mining aside fiture cooperatives.

If you want to profit, then either make or buy something for resale and ask for Bitcoins as payment.

Failing that give your bitcoins to someone trusted, as I doubt you can help yourself.

Too much knefeh. It's heavy food. Can't blame Google for that (though they should eat more fattouche with their meals, they wouldn't feel so heavy after - then again I'm not sure it really goes well with knefeh; probably should stick with fish then! ).

lol. I was waiting for someone to put this

- This is a case of fraud.

WTF is that even supposed to mean? There are MANY MANY different package types that don't involve the pins being located around the perimeter. There's no such thing as an "ASIC package". They can be put in any suitable package, and the exterior packaging has absolutely NOTHING with the function of the chip itself.

Both QFN package type AND BGA type, which are what's being used by the major SHA256 ASIC designers right now, are mounted without any leads visible around the perimeter. Your post is completely full of fail.

There's PLENTY of evidence of a scam here. Package type is not among it.

im quite disappointed, i will no longer be posting until publicly verifiable stats are up.

(not saying i believe they are a scam, just not worth the effort to defend them and challenge the obnoxious personality's here.)

It's fair to assume though that at every position on the board that an ASIC chip is placed that the immediate area surrounding the ASICS themselves should in fact be constant for each chip, correct?

Because on top of the fact the chips are blatantly photoshopped upon the board without the layers blended, the underlying PCB area has no routine regularity chip to chip.

So his statement stands in that the processors are in fact just cloned and pasted upon a random generic board containing diodes/resistors.