The thing is there is often confusion between science and logic.

Logic is not science, mathematics is not science.

Natural science was highly developed in arabic worlds, and is a branch of methaphysics.

Logic and mathematics is a whole another thing.

The coincidence between natural science and mathematics is purely accidental.


But both metaphysics and mathematics have been developped highly throught monotheist or monist belief.

Algebra was developed throught spiritual principle, with al jabir, book of balance, as a branch of metaphysics chemistry alchemy.

Newton was actually an alchemist. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies ).

All his theory are derived from stuff studied mostly in arabic worlds before.

Most mathematicians are god believers in a way or another.

Geometry was also a very mystical study at the origin.

It's said there are Pythagorean encoding in the bible.

Its very hard to actually dissociate science from religion, either science is meant as logic mathematics, or metaphysics algebra.

When you study their work and how the ideas are developed it's not coincidence at all. It's completely intricate with each other, all the time, since the begining.

Not sure what you call evidence other than all the books that the scientist and mathematician ever wrote work on concept of god, of intelligence and reason in nature, in some harmonious ratio between things, that all metaphysics leading to algebra come from islamic world, work related to justice, balance in nature etc

There is no evidence of the contrary  ..

No genuine student of history of science would deny this ..


Only industrials seeing only money and profits as finality of everything who are not really scientists. . Just exploiter of existing science and mathematics for their own profit ..

Im looking for boyle in wikipedia


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle

Robert Boyle was an alchemist;[23] and believing the transmutation of metals to be a possibility, he carried out experiments in the hope of achieving it; and he was instrumental in obtaining the repeal, in 1689, of the statute of Henry IV against multiplying gold and silver.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle#Theological_interests

In addition to philosophy, Boyle devoted much time to theology, showing a very decided leaning to the practical side and an indifference to controversial polemics. At the Restoration of the king in 1660, he was favourably received at court and in 1665 would have received the provostship of Eton College had he agreed to take holy orders, but this he refused to do on the ground that his writings on religious subjects would have greater weight coming from a layman than a paid minister of the Church.

As a director of the East India Company he spent large sums in promoting the spread of Christianity in the East, contributing liberally to missionary societies and to the expenses of translating the Bible or portions of it into various languages.


Probably another coincidence  





All available evidence show this,  after can always discard all reasonable evidence and studies to pretend otherwise ..


But all studies and evidences show this



After if we cant know anything, then it's true for jesus, bible, Boyle and everything else and any claims is just make believe babbling ..


But when studying actual evidence, how actual science was formed, the path of reasoning, it's what comes out of it.

No serious alchemist is about turning lead to gold, only scamer fake alchemist.


Philosopher stone, there is a strong hint in the name.

Philosophy is not about making gold.


But many fake alchemist pretended to be able to do this. Mostly for greed and scam.

But it was never the objective of true alchemists.


Gold is metaphor used by occultist for something of value.

Alchemy is about increasing value of raw natural things. Including human spirit through philosophy.


It's what true alchemist refer to as the "great work" refining natural things to increase their worth through knowledge, wisdom, philosophy etc.


In the metaphor lead is the coarse, raw, common, vulgarisation,  heavy s, natural state of human spirit, that can be turned to more valuable using philosophy.

Because there is no or very little science that actually exist today that is not derived from this lol

Alchemy is very old art, practiced since ancient egypt, and many were not fancied at all, many had to hide, and actually most published under fake name, or using metaphor to avoid issues ..


So it's more the opposite of this

Thats just a provable nonsense. Like it would not be nonsense enough to create a term protoscience you say that every protoscientist was a pursuer of the kings art or alchemy or whatever coincidental.

How about no?

How about you are almost right, as the alchemists are almost scientist ok?


He does. And what about science then?

Like I wrote before.

I admitt you almost won the debate just like alchemists are almost chemists.

Maybe its more than coincidence. Its more like people are doing the same silly stuff as others. If one is doing others are doing it too. Its called being a human - I think its prerequisite to being protoscientist. Yeah I think being human is not a coincidence.

That all depends on definitions. Im not aware how you define those two. In my honest opinion if you believe there are only two you should stick to dualism. Because if you like pairs dualism is the way to go. Why only two?

I believe in anti-ism personaly.

Maybe there are. But the message of the Bible is easy for everybody. Why should I search between the lines? Jesus had said that he is not hiding anything. There is no hidden message - no secret society with secret knowledge needed.

And the holy ghost is helping people to understand even that easy straightforward message. It can be as deep as you want. Message of the gospel is wonderful, it is as easy and as hard as you want it. I'ts like the best designed computer game. Rules are simple, but it's as complex and sophisticated like you are. It's very lovely.


I like to keep my mind open to any possibility. Dualism would mean, that I close the door to knowledge, because I would always seek two's. I would ignore the one's third's seventh's lol - I hope you get the point.