Guys, regarding the neptune. cgminer 4.9.1 VS bfgminer 5.0, any advantages to one or the other? I imagine bfgminer supports #xnsub for pools like nicehash while cgminer doesn't? Anything else?

What do you neptune owners prefer to run?

Nice DC/DC temps! What is the ambient temperature where your miners are located? Have you replaced the fans or something?

In the USA if you pay in USD you MUST get your refund in USD.... I assume it is the same for the Eu...so no that is not legal even if you accept
we are a business and you are a business method of transaction (I know this because american express card gave me a refund on my 30% down
on my alpha-t.net scrypt miner that never shipped..on that aspect alone.....you pay in usd you get paid back in usd ..how i won the casedispute
alpha was only offering partial payment of full amount in BTC at the lesser rate ..told folk to lump it or leave it...most with cc order had this fixed
quick....to be fair i think master card it was same day ...my amex took 30 days i think it was.and this would be true even if you believe knc's 1 sided you
are a business argument.....and again i assume this is the same for the EU)...so no they can't pick and choose ...even thou they have offered such
in the past.

Side point is .....the lawyers will imho view prove at least on in the area of NEPTUNES that KNC did not ship the customers units in a timely manner..ie personal use fraud...
(many ordered nov 25th 2013 before KNC even announced it was gonna make a NEPTUNE data farm) so in other words even thou they had previous
orders in hand they skipped over those orders to fill their data hall in Iceland (see  bandwith and their own cloud hashing info on growth there) and then
months afterwards (my recollection at least 4 or 5 months) then shipped the neptunes ordered starting the previous nov 25th 2013 onward after taking the
majority for themselves months earlier

that imho will be the most easy of claims to prove against KNC by the class actions...pretty cut and dried.....

you forget about the firmware for the first 2 months of delivery UNABLE TO DO OTHER ALTS of the fast block nature (ie new coin the most profitable) and the lies about such
till the fix came (no problems but they annonce a fix 2 months late..not to mention the fact they went back and tried to change all the www pages to show they never said
it was an altcoin miner...kept the dates of the pages.but claimed with the changes it was always an LTC miner....

the fact they will NOT RMA  a bad cube (i have 2 cubes with a bad die in each....no RMA on one dead die on a cube unless more then 2 cubes)..that of course was NOT
in their original RMA description ...also changed

the fact also on RMA that they are not required to pay for shipping unless the unit (the whole unit ie titan all cubes) is DOA otherwise you pay the postage of which they charged
last I heard back in nov 2014 when I asked was 400 usd per cube.....they were swamped with RMA problems those months viola change the terms and pages keep the old dates

others on here can add the other 19 things they did that are illegal and probably there are another 14 plus on to that from what I can tell from EU law ..which is even more harsh

those are proven fraud or breach of contract under KNC original rules which they changed and/or won't stand behind their original promises

I'll let others on here add more to the above list....but that is what comes to mind on JUST the firmware and RMA issues alone off the top of my head


and less you say...well that is how all asic mnfg behave...spondoolies has had issues with equipment etc and has always compensated w/o an issue
and no one can say by being honest it hurt their bottom line any.....

anyway others can chime in here with the other 9 pages or so of KNC issues that were dubious and illegal here...I doubt he will bother to read such
in that he seems to still be on the knc kool aid...but hey ......if he is gonna spout such misinformation ...we can bury him with the facts i guess

Nope ,,, bitpay is located in Europe! Amsterdam to be preceice!
Knc is sweden so iets europe ,, alphe-t offerd a calender based payout in bitisch pounds...
Like if you ask refund at day X then you get 80 % day Y 50% erc,,, then they can NOT use the BTC price because BTC is not money!
In case of KNC ,, they just offer refund of the TRANSACTION ,,, this means they pay back the trade!

 
http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/09/07/bitpay-s-new-amsterdam-headquarters.html

Hard times comes for Sam and Co. :

need some prison meme here!

Swedish law indicates that a prison sentence of up to six years long can be given for fraud, and given the current situation with 24 victims, the prison time could increase exponentially. If the class action lawsuit is won against KnCMiner, it may prompt the Swedish Authorities to start investigating KnCMiner’s business operations.

Not mutch trust in the office! aticle does not exsist
and law firm website does not exsist!

They messed up the link.  FTFY: http://www.coinbuzz.com/2015/04/20/asic-manufacturer-kncminer-sued-customers/
Edit: and that article messes up a link, too.  FTFT: http://www.riseco.se/
Edit 2: and that article is pretty much a rehash of: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-company-kncminer-facing-three-class-action-lawsuits/

What about cancelling your order for a Neptune when they took too long and then received a refund? 

not so in usa law..and we paid in usd so the refund is in usd...as to bitcoin yeah you pay bitcoin they probably can just send you bitcoin

alpha had an offer to make folk go away by only paying part back ...on a pre-order....instead of usd they were gonna give you 'stock' in
the company for the rest.....should have been more clear...

as again to knc you paid in usd you should get refunded in usd as to bitpay and bitcon that is probably correct

but again your point was knc is lawful on all its transactions ..my post was to point out some of the points where others differ and will be
found one way or another in a court of law ...3x that is...there are 3 different class actions (not counting the future one with the IPO's in
my opinion on their lackluster return on 'cloud mining' per say

the legal cases will determine such....but knc does not care because they decided to burn the customers because they will have no customers
in the future on any product just 16nm equip for them privately with their IPO money........

anyway my view i'm sure will be born out by the courts...if they say knc is in the clear i'll accept that ..hey its the law...i suspect if knc loses
big time which is my expectation and settles or what not...you probably post on here and troll how it was a 'miscarrige of justice"

got to admit taking the contrary view of the troll on this thread probably works really really good for all them negative vibe cooties you enjoy so well

anyway that is how i see it ....they are gonna lose and admidtly pay a fine/ settle the class actions with a NDA for an undisclosed amount ...and
after they pay off the lawyers and the class action and the fines etc..they will be way way way ahead of actually doing the expensive right thing
for their customers only...if they sold 2.5k of titans say that is 25 million bucks at 10k a titan ..so hey all batches figure at least imho 15 million bucks
or say 10 million clear profit...all the above fines/settlements/lawyers etc is a couple million tops....so yeah .....they will lose and still smell like roses
is my guess