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    February 24, 2022, 08:03:59 AM
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    Quote from: Paashaas on February 24, 2022, 07:48:31 AM
    Russian stock market tanked with almost 30%.

    There will be no world war 3 ore a total war that requires a long build up fase with factories transforming into producing war materials, millions of men joining the army, securing resources, war cabinets etc..and i don't see that happening.

    Russia has no change against NATO otherwise he already took out the Baltic states.

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    February 24, 2022, 08:07:14 AM
    Quote from: BitcoinBunny on February 24, 2022, 07:40:27 AM
    The further Putin goes towards western Ukraine the lower BTC's price will go.

    I'm not quite sure about that. There are reports of people queuing at the ATMs (while the banking system works) why wouldn't all those people flee to BTC? Also Russia's ruble is tanking so why not use BTC for savings? Let's HODL and see...  Grin

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    February 24, 2022, 08:08:10 AM
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    Quote from: BitcoinBunny on February 24, 2022, 07:40:27 AM
    I was shouted down the other day for moaning about international politics and also "debunked - because they are poor" for warning a massive emigration wave going to come from Ukraine to the west (they won't just stop over in Poland for a few days if you're thinking that).

    I truly find it astonishing that some of you are in Bitcoin at all since you can't seem to think even a few days ahead or simply have a problem with deviating from Bitcoin jokes, memes and let's face it mostly nonsense.

    We have seen massive international problems by far have the biggest effects on Bitcoin's price over the last few years surely.
     
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    The further Putin goes towards western Ukraine the lower BTC's price will go.

    Putin has massive number of troops stationed in Belarus also. The world mostly ignored his slow invasion dealings of and with former USSR countries.

    I even saw some imbecilic commentator use Brexit as an excuse why this is happening now. It is NOT just a pattern of the last few years at all. Remember Crimea?


    Simply put; for the majority of investors BTC at this moment is a speculative asset, not a safe heaven.

    Part of the internet happens to be the postings of various people who have differing opinions... to the extent that actual people exist on the other side of such keyboards.

    I think that we have quite a few people in these here parts... absent  sirazimuth and JimboToronto... other than that, we are mostly peeps.

    Do you want to tell us that you were right all along? 

    I am not sure how helpful that is....


    Do you want to tell us that you sold 50% of your BTC stash because the discussion of bitcoin is meaningless and you want UPpity otherwise, it is not fun enough?  and/or that you want to buy more cheaper because you know what is going to happen in the future that other people (the market) does not know?  Good luck with supposedly knowing things.. because sometimes the future ends up playing out in ways that are not quite as expected, even if you tell us after the fact that you knew all along... 

    Also, for sure doom and gloom has not always worked out for those who sold much if any of their stash after there had already been nearly a 50% correction.. so well, there could be various risks in taking rash actions.. but hey.. you do you.   We might end up getting another 5% or 10% dip.. perhaps? perhaps? or we might get a 80% dip from here ( I kind of doubt it), but any of us can decide if we feel that it might be prudent to shave some off.. but careful about doing a mindrust.. remember how certain he was after a near 50% drop that had been followed by earlier drops... and he was sure that the BTC price was going to fall 50% more.

    Are you wanting to tell us that bitcoin does not matter anymore because the world is falling apart?  What else is new?  The world seems to always be falling apart in one way or another.   I do still think that bitcoin matters and the discussion of the topics in this thread are important and that's why many of us regulars participate in this thread.. rage quit?  perhaps?

    Nope, I won't sell. In that light actions speak louder than words.
    The only exchange I have dealt with now wants me to fill out personal data stuff, which I didn't do so I guess I can't sell until I would do that (which I won't) anyway.

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    February 24, 2022, 08:10:16 AM
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    Quote from: OutOfMemory on February 24, 2022, 07:30:58 AM
    Quote from: Biodom on February 24, 2022, 06:40:24 AM
    why bitcoin is the weakest link among stocks, etc., though?
    idk

    it surely goes down fast at any sign of trouble....then recovers fast, of course.

    Market opening times, maybe?
    Or do we talk weekly?

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    My comment on the situation: fuck Putin!  Angry

    Na, fuck all of them. This is a fuck up that extends all the way back to the end of the Soviet Union. Putin was just a result of that fuck up. Will we ever learn? It seems the answer is No.

    Merited both of you, because both of you are right, somehow.
    Fuck warmongers.

    Yes indeed. Fuck both sides of this madness. My reaction was due to myself seeing the price of BTC...  Grin

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    February 24, 2022, 08:13:10 AM
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    Kind Daddy is slowly recovering after this war news shock.. no but really: how retarded you need to be to sell into this war dump?  Grin

    I just can't imagine peeps waking up in the morning and OMG WW3 has started! Gotta sell my BTC now! Muahaha...  Grin

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    February 24, 2022, 08:17:03 AM
    Quote from: serveria.com on February 24, 2022, 08:13:10 AM
    Kind Daddy is slowly recovering after this war news shock.. no but really: how retarded you need to be to sell into this war dump?  Grin

    I just can't imagine peeps waking up in the morning and OMG WW3 has started! Gotta sell my BTC now! Muahaha...  Grin

    I was thinking there might be more dumpage when the Americans wake up but perhaps that is already priced in.
    Could be rumours but headlines updated right now speak of many casualties and further threats from old Vlad. - I doubt western media would ever play things down even this is an exaggeration, too much ad revenue involved.
    But could BTC go below 30K?  Huh

    I have no idea how the money moves so fast.

    Many have suggested auto trading bots.

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    February 24, 2022, 08:21:03 AM
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    When to BTD at this point….

    Recovery could happen fast, but have we seen the bottom-ish prices or not ….

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    February 24, 2022, 08:23:41 AM
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    Quote from: BitcoinBunny on February 24, 2022, 08:08:10 AM
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    I was shouted down the other day for moaning about international politics and also "debunked - because they are poor" for warning a massive emigration wave going to come from Ukraine to the west (they won't just stop over in Poland for a few days if you're thinking that).

    I truly find it astonishing that some of you are in Bitcoin at all since you can't seem to think even a few days ahead or simply have a problem with deviating from Bitcoin jokes, memes and let's face it mostly nonsense.

    We have seen massive international problems by far have the biggest effects on Bitcoin's price over the last few years surely.
     
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    The further Putin goes towards western Ukraine the lower BTC's price will go.

    Putin has massive number of troops stationed in Belarus also. The world mostly ignored his slow invasion dealings of and with former USSR countries.

    I even saw some imbecilic commentator use Brexit as an excuse why this is happening now. It is NOT just a pattern of the last few years at all. Remember Crimea?


    Simply put; for the majority of investors BTC at this moment is a speculative asset, not a safe heaven.

    Part of the internet happens to be the postings of various people who have differing opinions... to the extent that actual people exist on the other side of such keyboards.

    I think that we have quite a few people in these here parts... absent  sirazimuth and JimboToronto... other than that, we are mostly peeps.

    Do you want to tell us that you were right all along?  

    I am not sure how helpful that is....


    Do you want to tell us that you sold 50% of your BTC stash because the discussion of bitcoin is meaningless and you want UPpity otherwise, it is not fun enough?  and/or that you want to buy more cheaper because you know what is going to happen in the future that other people (the market) does not know?  Good luck with supposedly knowing things.. because sometimes the future ends up playing out in ways that are not quite as expected, even if you tell us after the fact that you knew all along...  

    Also, for sure doom and gloom has not always worked out for those who sold much if any of their stash after there had already been nearly a 50% correction.. so well, there could be various risks in taking rash actions.. but hey.. you do you.   We might end up getting another 5% or 10% dip.. perhaps? perhaps? or we might get a 80% dip from here ( I kind of doubt it), but any of us can decide if we feel that it might be prudent to shave some off.. but careful about doing a mindrust.. remember how certain he was after a near 50% drop that had been followed by earlier drops... and he was sure that the BTC price was going to fall 50% more.

    Are you wanting to tell us that bitcoin does not matter anymore because the world is falling apart?  What else is new?  The world seems to always be falling apart in one way or another.   I do still think that bitcoin matters and the discussion of the topics in this thread are important and that's why many of us regulars participate in this thread.. rage quit?  perhaps?

    Nope, I won't sell. In that light actions speak louder than words.
    The only exchange I have dealt with now wants me to fill out personal data stuff, which I didn't do so I guess I can't sell until I would do that (which I won't) anyway.

    My response was a bit strong to you.. because I did read some rage quit vibes and also some "I told you so" vibes.. which each of those kinds of vibes tends to rub me in a way that causes my own reactive issues... there is always some level of uncertainty and frequently the BTC price does not go which way we want it or expect it to go.. at least not all of us.

    Regarding liquidation or even being able to reduce exposure.  I always figured that any of us should have a few different ways to get out of bitcoin.. but we see that sometimes the various exchanges change their rules.. and then there might be questions about other ways to liquidate, or if we just want to hold the bitcoin in another form (such as something that is dollar pegged.. at least in the short term).. but yeah, over the years, I have had so many liquidation avenues dry up.. and sometimes there are needs to attempt to establish new ones.. not always easy... especially if a lot of value might be involved that might need to cash out and need some certainty bout getting it... sometimes worse in times that you really might need it.

    I am thinking that 5-10 years in the future there will be way more liquidation options.. and maybe that is why some guys here are spending so much time playing around with lightning network.. in order to have more potential options.. when they might need them.

    Quote from: serveria.com on February 24, 2022, 08:13:10 AM
    Kind Daddy is slowly recovering after this war news shock.. no but really: how retarded you need to be to sell into this war dump?  Grin

    I just can't imagine peeps waking up in the morning and OMG WW3 has started! Gotta sell my BTC now! Muahaha...  Grin

    Maybe part of the reason that the dumping is not over?

    I don't claim to know whether our little $1k bounce up from our current $34,324 bottom is anywhere close enough to being able to rest in peace that this particular "bottom is in.".. way too early to know in terms of both time and quantity of price distance.

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    February 24, 2022, 08:25:22 AM
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    Quote from: El duderino_ on February 24, 2022, 08:21:03 AM
    When to BTD at this point….

    Recovery could happen fast, but have we seen the bottom-ish prices or not ….



    "Serious" analyst targets are projected around $32k since ATH.
    I didn't believe it myself at that time, but so far it seems to play out.
    #NFA

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    February 24, 2022, 08:33:55 AM
    Quote from: strawbs on February 24, 2022, 03:21:57 AM
    Quote from: goldkingcoiner on February 24, 2022, 03:12:00 AM
    ....So... Putin just invaded Donbass.

    Bitcoin might take dive. Maybe. MAYBE.

    The next 24 hours are critical

    Gold goes up, whilst bitcoin (digital gold) goes down. Illogical.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/global-markets-unravel-putin-launches-military-operation

    This tells me that people still don't understand what bitcoin truly is.
    This is precisely what bitcoin was invented for ffs.

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    February 24, 2022, 08:42:36 AM
    Quote from: El duderino_ on February 24, 2022, 08:21:03 AM
    When to BTD at this point….

    Recovery could happen fast, but have we seen the bottom-ish prices or not ….

    $33K seems pretty much inevitable at this point.  The chart looks an awful lot like $10K could be in the cards, which would represent a pretty massive change in Bitcoin's up only trajectory.  Personally, I'd be pretty cautious here with cash on the sidelines.  With the Fed looking to raise rates sending home prices teetering on the brink of collapse, the stock market overheated, and war potentially breaking out, it seems the downside risk is higher than the upside reward at the moment.  It sure feels exactly the same as 2018 to me.  I only wish we could have gotten our blowoff top in the six digit range so it would have been obvious this cycle had topped.  The only real sign we had was Saylor saying Bitcoin would go up forever.

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    Quote from: El duderino_ on February 24, 2022, 08:21:03 AM
    When to BTD at this point….

    Recovery could happen fast, but have we seen the bottom-ish prices or not ….


    The dip supported by another dip maybe incoming and we should be ready for that.

    The two way preparation needs to be done one is be ready with some extra fiat to invest in Bitcoin at some discounts again and second don't panic sell off in these situations and hold for long term.

    Hope everything goes normal soon  Wink

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    February 24, 2022, 08:55:02 AM
    Quote from: aysg76 on February 24, 2022, 08:48:20 AM
    Quote from: El duderino_ on February 24, 2022, 08:21:03 AM
    When to BTD at this point….

    Recovery could happen fast, but have we seen the bottom-ish prices or not ….


    The dip supported by another dip maybe incoming and we should be ready for that.

    The two way preparation needs to be done one is be ready with some extra fiat to invest in Bitcoin at some discounts again and second don't panic sell off in these situations and hold for long term.

    Hope everything goes normal soon  Wink
    surely everything will return to normal, bitcoin will not forever be under $40k....

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    Quote from: somac. on February 24, 2022, 07:43:14 AM
    Quote from: BitcoinBunny on February 24, 2022, 07:40:27 AM
    I was shouted down the other day for moaning about international politics and also "debunked - because they are poor" for warning a massive emigration wave going to come from Ukraine to the west (they won't just stop over in Poland for a few days if you're thinking that).

    I truly find it astonishing that some of you are in Bitcoin at all since you can't seem to think even a few days ahead or simply have a problem with deviating from Bitcoin jokes, memes and let's face it mostly nonsense.

    We have seen massive international problems by far have the biggest effects on Bitcoin's price over the last few years surely.
     
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    The further Putin goes towards western Ukraine the lower BTC's price will go.

    For the majority of investors BTC at this moment is a speculative asset, not a safe heaven.

    Lets wait to see what the sanctions are, then more importantly the central banks response.


        -Two state-owned banks - which the US says are key to Russia's defence sector - will no longer be able to do business in the US or access its financial system
       
        -Five people described as part of Putin's inner circle have been sanctioned

        -Restrictions have been placed on US deals involving Russia's national debt

        -Americans are now banned from doing business in Luhansk and Donetsk
       
        -The European Union is sanctioning 27 Russian individuals and organisations, including banks. It is also limiting access to European capital markets — cutting off the ability to access funds from EU banks - and banning trade between the EU and the two rebel-held regions.

        -Some 351 members of Russia's Duma, parliament's lower house, are also being targeted with sanctions.

        -German chancellor Olaf Scholz has put on hold permission for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia to Germany to open.

        -Meanwhile, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced sanctions against five Russian banks and three wealthy Russian businessmen, and threatened further moves.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60125659

    smh

    These guys have 680 billion in reserves..not sure how concerned they are about any of this.     Posture posture posture..then get to the table for concessions and poof..it all goes away...ready to rinse and repeat again. smh

      ...I wonder how much bitcoin Putin owns.


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    February 24, 2022, 09:06:07 AM
    Quote from: OgNasty on February 24, 2022, 08:42:36 AM
    Quote from: El duderino_ on February 24, 2022, 08:21:03 AM
    When to BTD at this point….

    Recovery could happen fast, but have we seen the bottom-ish prices or not ….

    $33K seems pretty much inevitable at this point.  The chart looks an awful lot like $10K could be in the cards, which would represent a pretty massive change in Bitcoin's up only trajectory.  Personally, I'd be pretty cautious here with cash on the sidelines.  With the Fed looking to raise rates sending home prices teetering on the brink of collapse, the stock market overheated, and war potentially breaking out, it seems the downside risk is higher than the upside reward at the moment.  It sure feels exactly the same as 2018 to me.  I only wish we could have gotten our blowoff top in the six digit range so it would have been obvious this cycle had topped.  The only real sign we had was Saylor saying Bitcoin would go up forever.

    Oh gawd...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

    Not sure which one of you doomer and gloomers are worse in your outlier scenarios (hopening for down when we have already had about 50% down.. and yeah.. it could happen.. we will see, right?...  

    You may well be quite lucky if you are able to pick up any BTC below $30k.. but hey.. what do I know?  I had always thought that bitcoin was an asymmetric bet to the upside, so maybe you are foretelling something new about bitcoin if you believe that anything below the 200-week moving average (currently at $20k) is even reasonably within the cards under our current conditions.. having greater than 5% odds..   You think so?  you talk about scenarios that have odds of less than 5% (and maybe much less) as if they were 50/50 or even greater.  Go figure?

    but hey... maybe you are correct with your doom and gloom this time... there's always a chance, no?  reminds me of a clip from a movie.

    Seems to me that you are going to need a whole hell of a lot of luck with your current ideas.. OgNasty...  and hopefully on a personal level you did not sell too many of coins while playing around with downity scenarios that may well not even come close to playing out as in your seemingly fantasy vision of how bitcoin relates to world dynamics and also what bitcoin's own cycle and long term value prop happens to be..

    It's a little hard to believe with a guy like you who has been in bitcoin so long but seems to still not "get it".. who would've thunk?

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    February 24, 2022, 09:25:37 AM
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    My comment on the situation: fuck Putin!  Angry

    Na, fuck all of them. This is a fuck up that extends all the way back to the end of the Soviet Union. Putin was just a result of that fuck up. Will we ever learn? It seems the answer is No.

    ... this, fuck all of them.

    Putin is not the problem but he is a symptom, same as Trump

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    Message from my energy supplier:

    My combined gas and electricity bill will rise 45% from April 1st.

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    Quote from: serveria.com on February 24, 2022, 06:40:22 AM
    My comment on the situation: fuck Putin!  Angry

    There was the saying "buy when there's blood in the streets". Well.. sadly... there we go....  Angry

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    February 24, 2022, 09:50:01 AM
    Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 24, 2022, 09:41:56 AM
    There was the saying "buy when there's blood in the streets". Well.. sadly... there we go....  Angry
    "Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own." - Baron Rothschild
    That's the complete quote.
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