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    April 18, 2022, 09:33:08 PM
     #18961
    Quote from: KennyR on April 18, 2022, 01:58:41 PM
    If there is someone with a suspicious bowling action, then any other boards can report them. Maybe the boards were fearing the top three. However rule change with any game is common, and cricket rules in comparison to the past have changed a lot. Can we say the rules were favouring just a single country, no it is framed commonly.
    Rules are not favoring anyone it's all about their own domestic system and grassroots game in most of developing countries things are not working as it's need to be done because they have no enough funds and support for these, so they suffer and countries like Australia and England are working on basic things from early days of every player which help them in positive way for their rest of career.

    But, now recently few countries are also adopting the latest techniques which could be game changer for them, and they could be able to settle their few basic problems and surely this could be very helpful for many emerging players with their problems, and they could be able to serve their countries in positive and fair way.

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    April 19, 2022, 02:18:59 AM
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    Quote from: Marvell1 on April 18, 2022, 01:47:18 PM
    I really don't know if anyone from the big three has any suspicious bowling action. But it does look a little bit suspicious that the only bowlers are getting reported for suspicious action from outside of the Big 3. We all know that the rules of cricket are made to benefit the big three and we have seen the bowling action rules changing many times I wonder if that happened for the exact same reason.

    In the recent times, I don't remember anyone from India getting reported for suspect bowling action. But in the past, we had quite a few. There were a number of promising bowlers (both pacers, as well as spinners) whose career ended as a result of getting reported for chucking. And nowadays, the decision is being made with the help of technology. If the bend is more than the allowed limit (15 degrees), then the bowler is being told to rectify his action. It is similar to DRS. No one can claim that technology is helping one side and negatively impacting the other side.
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    April 19, 2022, 07:56:50 AM
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    Quote from: Sithara007 on April 19, 2022, 02:18:59 AM

    In the recent times, I don't remember anyone from India getting reported for suspect bowling action. But in the past, we had quite a few. There were a number of promising bowlers (both pacers, as well as spinners) whose career ended as a result of getting reported for chucking. And nowadays, the decision is being made with the help of technology. If the bend is more than the allowed limit (15 degrees), then the bowler is being told to rectify his action. It is similar to DRS. No one can claim that technology is helping one side and negatively impacting the other side.

    If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported. 

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    April 19, 2022, 11:05:35 AM
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    Quote from: blatchcorn on April 19, 2022, 07:56:50 AM
    Quote from: Sithara007 on April 19, 2022, 02:18:59 AM

    In the recent times, I don't remember anyone from India getting reported for suspect bowling action. But in the past, we had quite a few. There were a number of promising bowlers (both pacers, as well as spinners) whose career ended as a result of getting reported for chucking. And nowadays, the decision is being made with the help of technology. If the bend is more than the allowed limit (15 degrees), then the bowler is being told to rectify his action. It is similar to DRS. No one can claim that technology is helping one side and negatively impacting the other side.

    If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported. 
    It is undoubtedly say that BCCI is the most powerful board in the cricket world. However, if there is power, many people try to take a little advantage, but since the technology gives us more clear concept about any thing of the cricket so no one will be able to impose any decision directly.
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    April 19, 2022, 02:16:37 PM
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    Quote from: Sithara007 on April 19, 2022, 02:18:59 AM
    Quote from: Marvell1 on April 18, 2022, 01:47:18 PM
    I really don't know if anyone from the big three has any suspicious bowling action. But it does look a little bit suspicious that the only bowlers are getting reported for suspicious action from outside of the Big 3. We all know that the rules of cricket are made to benefit the big three and we have seen the bowling action rules changing many times I wonder if that happened for the exact same reason.

    In the recent times, I don't remember anyone from India getting reported for suspect bowling action. But in the past, we had quite a few. There were a number of promising bowlers (both pacers, as well as spinners) whose career ended as a result of getting reported for chucking. And nowadays, the decision is being made with the help of technology. If the bend is more than the allowed limit (15 degrees), then the bowler is being told to rectify his action. It is similar to DRS. No one can claim that technology is helping one side and negatively impacting the other side.

    In India, I don't remember any world-class players falling victim to this rule. yes, there might be some promising players who might have had the worst of this. But not the players who are already playing really well.

    I am obviously not saying that this is because of some advantage or anything. What I am trying to say is that they are probably working really well right now and that's why the players are already playing with good action.


    Quote from: blatchcorn on April 19, 2022, 07:56:50 AM
    Quote from: Sithara007 on April 19, 2022, 02:18:59 AM
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    If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported. 

    I think you made a really good point that ICC is not going to report top bowlers of a country that is paying them really well. the top bowlers from small boards are supposed to be reported because they don't have that important role in ICC which is paying them really well. I think that is why probably the bowlers from the top cricket-playing nations don't get reported very often.
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    April 19, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
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    Quote from: blatchcorn on April 19, 2022, 07:56:50 AM
    If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported. 
    There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.

    I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.
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    Quote from: dezoel on April 19, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
    There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.

    I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

    It must be responsibility of all boards to check and correct bowling action of all of there bowlers at domestic levels and that too at early age when muscles are growing and bowling action can be adjusted. Once you are over 25 years and playing international cricket then its very hard to fix your action if you are reported.

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    Quote from: dezoel on April 19, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
    Quote from: blatchcorn on April 19, 2022, 07:56:50 AM
    If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported. 
    There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.

    I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

    Quote from: coinism on April 20, 2022, 05:21:01 AM
    Quote from: dezoel on April 19, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
    There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.

    I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

    It must be responsibility of all boards to check and correct bowling action of all of there bowlers at domestic levels and that too at early age when muscles are growing and bowling action can be adjusted. Once you are over 25 years and playing international cricket then its very hard to fix your action if you are reported.

    I feel that BCCI can’t bend this rule for their bowler’s, because the video footage of the bowlers is available online and ICC can’t ignore the proof once it’s submitted, plus I haven’t heard of any Indian bowler being reported in a long while.

    Lastly I’m glad that Pakistan is working on this, because I remember seeing few of their bowlers being banned due to their bowling action, and hopefully from now on none of their bowler’s will be banned due to violation of the bowling rules.

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    Quote from: Juggy777 on April 20, 2022, 10:23:22 AM
    Quote from: dezoel on April 19, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
    Quote from: blatchcorn on April 19, 2022, 07:56:50 AM
    If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported. 
    There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.
    I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

    I feel that BCCI can’t bend this rule for their bowler’s, because the video footage of the bowlers is available online and ICC can’t ignore the proof once it’s submitted, plus I haven’t heard of any Indian bowler being reported in a long while.
    Lastly I’m glad that Pakistan is working on this, because I remember seeing few of their bowlers being banned due to their bowling action, and hopefully from now on none of their bowler’s will be banned due to violation of the bowling rules.

    Actually, if this is not rigged, which I really think it's not.
    I think not only Pakistan but all the other countries should really give a lot more importance to their players' bowling action. And I really think that if this is taken care of from the start of the career of a bowler in the future none of the bowlers will have to end their career because of wrong bowling action. Even though there might be a lot of talking about this system being rigged I think it is not.
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    Quote from: kro55 on April 20, 2022, 01:51:02 PM

    Actually, if this is not rigged, which I really think it's not.
    I think not only Pakistan but all the other countries should really give a lot more importance to their players' bowling action. And I really think that if this is taken care of from the start of the career of a bowler in the future none of the bowlers will have to end their career because of wrong bowling action. Even though there might be a lot of talking about this system being rigged I think it is not.

    Pakistan is also affected because they have a history of producing pace bowlers that bowl around 150 or above. So PCB has important role in checking the bowling action of its pacers from very early days when action can be corrected with little effort. I don't think PCB has much resources to do that though.

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    Kieron Pollard, the West Indies captain and allrounder, announced his retirement from international cricket. A lot of candidates are in line to fill Pollard's shoes. We had a fantastic time watching you work. Have a happy retirement from international cricket. While there is controversy surrounding Pollard, he did not promote national cricket. Instead, he put his best effort into franchise leagues around the world. He could have served the West Indies for many years! Sadly, his time is up.

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    Quote from: blatchcorn on April 21, 2022, 05:50:36 AM
    Quote from: kro55 on April 20, 2022, 01:51:02 PM
    Actually, if this is not rigged, which I really think it's not.
    I think not only Pakistan but all the other countries should really give a lot more importance to their players' bowling action. And I really think that if this is taken care of from the start of the career of a bowler in the future none of the bowlers will have to end their career because of wrong bowling action. Even though there might be a lot of talking about this system being rigged I think it is not.
    Pakistan is also affected because they have a history of producing pace bowlers that bowl around 150 or above. So PCB has important role in checking the bowling action of its pacers from very early days when action can be corrected with little effort. I don't think PCB has much resources to do that though.

    Even if they don't have the resources I think they should prepare the resources as soon as possible because they are one of the best bowling teams in the whole world.  

    So, it is important for them to build up their players the in the correct way from the start. otherwise, we have seen a lot of players face the ending of their career even when they had a lot of potential just because of the wrong bowling action.


    Quote from: onecall123 on April 21, 2022, 01:34:35 PM
    Kieron Pollard, the West Indies captain and allrounder, announced his retirement from international cricket. A lot of candidates are in line to fill Pollard's shoes. We had a fantastic time watching you work. Have a happy retirement from international cricket. While there is controversy surrounding Pollard, he did not promote national cricket. Instead, he put his best effort into franchise leagues around the world. He could have served the West Indies for many years! Sadly, his time is up.

    The situation of cricket in the West Indies is not the best at the moment.

    Anyway, he has served his team very well and his teams should be grateful for his service, both in club cricket and also in the national team. he was also a great entertainer. whenever he was playing we could be sure that something amazing might be happening. I also think he could have done a lot more for his country.
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    Quote from: blatchcorn on April 21, 2022, 05:50:36 AM
    Quote from: kro55 on April 20, 2022, 01:51:02 PM

    Actually, if this is not rigged, which I really think it's not.
    I think not only Pakistan but all the other countries should really give a lot more importance to their players' bowling action. And I really think that if this is taken care of from the start of the career of a bowler in the future none of the bowlers will have to end their career because of wrong bowling action. Even though there might be a lot of talking about this system being rigged I think it is not.

    Pakistan is also affected because they have a history of producing pace bowlers that bowl around 150 or above. So PCB has important role in checking the bowling action of its pacers from very early days when action can be corrected with little effort. I don't think PCB has much resources to do that though.
    There is no doubt Pakistan is most affected country in this category, and they lost too many amazing bowlers just because of not having the latest technology and better system with facilities which help these bowlers to settle their problem in early part of their career and start their career in positive way but good thing happening as recently I read now they have few biomechanical centers in their country which are helping their bowlers for setting their problems and prepared in good shape for their career as recently we have another young amazing bowler Mohammad Hasnain reported in BigBash and now under ban hopefully they will do their best and bring back this wonder kid with better way to serve for his country in this amazing game of cricket.

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    Quote from: MinMan on April 21, 2022, 09:18:32 PM

    There is no doubt Pakistan is most affected country in this category, and they lost too many amazing bowlers just because of not having the latest technology and better system with facilities which help these bowlers to settle their problem in early part of their career and start their career in positive way but good thing happening as recently I read now they have few biomechanical centers in their country which are helping their bowlers for setting their problems and prepared in good shape for their career as recently we have another young amazing bowler Mohammad Hasnain reported in BigBash and now under ban hopefully they will do their best and bring back this wonder kid with better way to serve for his country in this amazing game of cricket.


    Muhammad hasnain bowling action was test in Pakistan and found illegitimate but Pakistan don't have capacity to check bowling actions of its domestic players and that hurting them badly. Once you are in international cricket and reported its become very difficult to go back and start from scratch.

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    Quote from: coinism on April 21, 2022, 11:10:13 PM
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    Muhammad hasnain bowling action was test in Pakistan and found illegitimate but Pakistan don't have capacity to check bowling actions of its domestic players and that hurting them badly. Once you are in international cricket and reported its become very difficult to go back and start from scratch.
    This happened in February when Mohammad Hasnain was playing in the BBL when his bowling action was reported by the umpires and the test took place in Lahore also found that he is flexing beyond 15 degree. I have seen his clips and i do not see that he was bending the elbow but bio mechanics test conducted says that he is flexing beyond that.

    Good thing is that the PCB has appointed someone to rectify his bowling action and i wish to see him make a great comeback.

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    Quote from: eaLiTy on April 21, 2022, 11:45:41 PM
    Quote from: coinism on April 21, 2022, 11:10:13 PM
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    Muhammad hasnain bowling action was test in Pakistan and found illegitimate but Pakistan don't have capacity to check bowling actions of its domestic players and that hurting them badly. Once you are in international cricket and reported its become very difficult to go back and start from scratch.
    This happened in February when Mohammad Hasnain was playing in the BBL when his bowling action was reported by the umpires and the test took place in Lahore also found that he is flexing beyond 15 degree. I have seen his clips and i do not see that he was bending the elbow but bio mechanics test conducted says that he is flexing beyond that.
    Good thing is that the PCB has appointed someone to rectify his bowling action and i wish to see him make a great comeback.

    I think this issue has been going on for quite a while now and with a lot of countries. So, I think ICC should give all the boards the property equipment to check if the actual of a bowler is legit. And all the boards should also be really interested to get their hands on the proper equipment because otherwise a lot of bowlers might face the bitter consequences.
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    Quote from: eaLiTy on April 21, 2022, 11:45:41 PM
    This happened in February when Mohammad Hasnain was playing in the BBL when his bowling action was reported by the umpires and the test took place in Lahore also found that he is flexing beyond 15 degree. I have seen his clips and i do not see that he was bending the elbow but bio mechanics test conducted says that he is flexing beyond that.

    Good thing is that the PCB has appointed someone to rectify his bowling action and i wish to see him make a great comeback.

    He has great pace Muhammad Hasnain and with time he has the capability to produce more good deliveries. Its good that pcb is working hard to correct his bowling action and bring him back in international cricket. Do you who is working with hasnain to rectify his bowling action?

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    Quote from: kro55 on April 22, 2022, 02:37:49 PM
    I think this issue has been going on for quite a while now and with a lot of countries. So, I think ICC should give all the boards the property equipment to check if the actual of a bowler is legit. And all the boards should also be really interested to get their hands on the proper equipment because otherwise a lot of bowlers might face the bitter consequences.
    Surely it's very important issue and all boards need to check with this because now it's creating some controversies as well, but it's not duty of ICC to provide equipment's and give orders about this it's all need of relative boards to bring things which important for this and settle their players which have some issues like these.

    As someone already mentions few developed boards already have better check and balance system for this, and they are doing good job bur right now it's duty of Pakistan and Sri Lankan boards as they are mostly victim of this issue they also do some more work in their domestic level which help these youths, and they were able to have all things clear before entering into International arena.

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    He has great pace Muhammad Hasnain and with time he has the capability to produce more good deliveries. Its good that pcb is working hard to correct his bowling action and bring him back in international cricket. Do you who is working with hasnain to rectify his bowling action?
    The PCB has appointed some of their experts to rectify his bowling action and even though they have not mentioned any specific names the good news is that Muhammad Hasnain changed his bowling action and PCB has informed ICC about the changes and now they are waiting for the ICC to conduct another test to check the legality and once it is clear he will be back playing International Cricket.

    After some digging, Moises Henriques is the person who first accused Muhammad Hasnain for chucking during the BBL and the test conducted showed that he was extending his elbow beyond the legal limit and now he changed his action and hopefully he will be able to bowl at the same pace.

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    Quote from: eaLiTy on April 22, 2022, 11:50:53 PM
    The PCB has appointed some of their experts to rectify his bowling action and even though they have not mentioned any specific names the good news is that Muhammad Hasnain changed his bowling action and PCB has informed ICC about the changes and now they are waiting for the ICC to conduct another test to check the legality and once it is clear he will be back playing International Cricket.

    After some digging, Moises Henriques is the person who first accused Muhammad Hasnain for chucking during the BBL and the test conducted showed that he was extending his elbow beyond the legal limit and now he changed his action and hopefully he will be able to bowl at the same pace.

    I remember Moises saying to Hasnain, nice throw. Hasnain was too good in BBL season where he was reported. I don't know how a batsman can recognise that a bowler action is illegal. The real challenge for Hasnain is to maintain his old pace with new bowling action.
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