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    July 01, 2022, 12:26:44 PM
     #19341
    Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 11:45:10 AM
    Quote from: Tony116 on June 30, 2022, 11:57:41 AM
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    And I also agree that this has not been very successful for UAE. But they are obviously winning against the weaker opponents. Those opponents generally have on local players in the team. So, those teams are hurting in the long run.

    Well.. that is very obvious. UAE is mostly comprised of Indian and Pakistani players who can't even qualify for the domestic teams. How can you expect these players to defeat the regular teams of India or Pakistan, when they play against each other? But these players may be having a lot of experience, and that comes handy against inexperienced teams such as Kenya and Nepal. It is a lose-lose situation. ICC will end up giving more funds to low-quality teams, which will never improve their quality in the future.
    It is true that UAE basically led by Indian and Pakistani players but they could not do well according to the expectation. Maybe it will take longer time. Afghanistan is ahead in this regard. I think they are now qualified enough to play with the big countries. After all, i think there is no any comparison between Indian and Pakistani players in the cricket world. They are exceptional.
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    July 01, 2022, 08:43:18 PM
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    Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 11:45:10 AM
    UAE is mostly comprised of Indian and Pakistani players who can't even qualify for the domestic teams. How can you expect these players to defeat the regular teams of India or Pakistan, when they play against each other? But these players may be having a lot of experience, and that comes handy against inexperienced teams such as Kenya and Nepal. It is a lose-lose situation. ICC will end up giving more funds to low-quality teams, which will never improve their quality in the future.
    We already discussed this many times and after this all I am feeling it's not going to happen through ICC because if they want to do this then surely they prepare for Olympics which is not happening as it's not in favor of their few big countries just because of this now this topic is useless and have nothing more to talk.

    With this rule is currently having very beneficial for mostly Indian and Pakistani community and if they end this biggest loser will be guys from this region which is also having some bad for them even Kenya, Nepal and few other countries with native players are suffering, but it's not having any trouble for ICC, so they will be going ahead with this all for some more time.

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    July 02, 2022, 03:07:35 AM
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    jostorres mentioned about the Olympics, so I thought that I could speak on a related topic. Women's cricket is included for this year's Commonwealth Games. The Games will start by the end of this month, and a total of 8 countries will be taking part. The only surprise is that West Indies can't participate, since they are a group of independent countries. Barbados will be representing the WICB. None of the associate nations are taking part and surprisingly this time India has also sent a squad. Among the tier-1 test nations, only Bangladesh is missing.
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    July 02, 2022, 12:27:38 PM
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    Quote from: Sithara007 on July 02, 2022, 03:07:35 AM
    jostorres mentioned about the Olympics, so I thought that I could speak on a related topic. Women's cricket is included for this year's Commonwealth Games. The Games will start by the end of this month, and a total of 8 countries will be taking part. The only surprise is that West Indies can't participate, since they are a group of independent countries. Barbados will be representing the WICB. None of the associate nations are taking part and surprisingly this time India has also sent a squad. Among the tier-1 test nations, only Bangladesh is missing.

    Australia, Newzealand, England, India, Barbados ( west indies), Srilanka, Pakistan and South Africa will take part in women's cricket event of commonwealth games that are starting from 27 July 2022. Last time these teams meet in women worldcup and Australia won the worldcup without losing a single match.

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    July 02, 2022, 12:41:45 PM
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    Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 11:45:10 AM
    Quote from: Tony116 on June 30, 2022, 11:57:41 AM
    ~~~
    And I also agree that this has not been very successful for UAE. But they are obviously winning against the weaker opponents. Those opponents generally have on local players in the team. So, those teams are hurting in the long run.
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    ICC will end up giving more funds to low-quality teams, which will never improve their quality in the future.

    I think giving fun to the local quality team is obviously going to have some effect on that team trying to get better. But that will happen if they actually try to find genuine talent and not depend on players from another country who are not isn’t a citizen to do the work. I suggest that weaker teams should not be so fond of ease and they should try to find talent in the country and do some talent hunt instead of just bringing players from another region or another country to do that playing for them. That is actually going to improve the quality of cricket in those countries.

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    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 02, 2022, 12:27:38 PM
    Australia, Newzealand, England, India, Barbados ( west indies), Srilanka, Pakistan and South Africa will take part in women's cricket event of commonwealth games that are starting from 27 July 2022. Last time these teams meet in women worldcup and Australia won the worldcup without losing a single match.

    Last time we had cricket in commonwealth games was in 1998. Back then, there were a total of 16 participants, including India and two from the WICB (Barbados, and Antigua and Barbuda). Associate nations such as Kenya, Scotland and Ireland also participated. Back then, South Africa won the gold, by defeating Australia in the final match (New Zealand won the bronze medal). This time under pressure from the ICC, they cancelled the men's event and scheduled a 8-team women's event. It makes no sense to have a tournament with just 8 teams.
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    Quote from: Sithara007 on July 02, 2022, 01:04:34 PM
    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 02, 2022, 12:27:38 PM
    Australia, Newzealand, England, India, Barbados ( west indies), Srilanka, Pakistan and South Africa will take part in women's cricket event of commonwealth games that are starting from 27 July 2022. Last time these teams meet in women worldcup and Australia won the worldcup without losing a single match.
    Last time we had cricket in commonwealth games was in 1998. Back then, there were a total of 16 participants, including India and two from the WICB (Barbados, and Antigua and Barbuda). Associate nations such as Kenya, Scotland and Ireland also participated. Back then, South Africa won the gold, by defeating Australia in the final match (New Zealand won the bronze medal). This time under pressure from the ICC, they cancelled the men's event and scheduled a 8-team women's event. It makes no sense to have a tournament with just 8 teams.
    For me this all is totally useless and waste of time because if you are accepting pressure from ICC about men event and having only 8 women teams even you can arrange more than stop this all and just go ahead with your crap policies don't waste time with this all.

    If ICC is ever having any positive attitude through this game then surely they try to work with them and arrange under 19 or under 23 teams from men as well which bring some good and interesting matches with only native players allowed to participate because this is also very important right now, but they are pressuring for no men and only eight women which mean they are never having any solid policy for these games and trying to follow their own agenda.

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    July 03, 2022, 03:13:02 PM
     #19348
    Quote from: jostorres on July 02, 2022, 06:38:14 PM
    Quote from: Sithara007 on July 02, 2022, 01:04:34 PM
    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 02, 2022, 12:27:38 PM
    Australia, Newzealand, England, India, Barbados ( west indies), Srilanka, Pakistan and South Africa will take part in women's cricket event of commonwealth games that are starting from 27 July 2022. Last time these teams meet in women worldcup and Australia won the worldcup without losing a single match.
    Last time we had cricket in commonwealth games was in 1998. Back then, there were a total of 16 participants, including India and two from the WICB (Barbados, and Antigua and Barbuda). Associate nations such as Kenya, Scotland and Ireland also participated. Back then, South Africa won the gold, by defeating Australia in the final match (New Zealand won the bronze medal). This time under pressure from the ICC, they cancelled the men's event and scheduled a 8-team women's event. It makes no sense to have a tournament with just 8 teams.
    For me this all is totally useless and waste of time because if you are accepting pressure from ICC about men event and having only 8 women teams even you can arrange more than stop this all and just go ahead with your crap policies don't waste time with this all.
    If ICC is ever having any positive attitude through this game then surely they try to work with them and arrange under 19 or under 23 teams from men as well which bring some good and interesting matches with only native players allowed to participate because this is also very important right now, but they are pressuring for no men and only eight women which mean they are never having any solid policy for these games and trying to follow their own agenda.

    I see where your frustration is coming from but right now a certain process is going on. It is going to be hard work to change the process overnight.

    It is possible to change the process. But obviously, it is going to take a lot of time because once something has stated its power it is hard to dethrone them. I am obviously talking about the power of the big three over the ICC.

    Even if ICC is having a positive attitude toward this game it is quite impossible to improve as a sports body for ICC because of the big three. so after all it comes down to only one thing. the people in power don't want to lose control. and another thing is  ICC also has problems.  one-sided love is never successful if you know what I mean.
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    Last time we had cricket in commonwealth games was in 1998. Back then, there were a total of 16 participants, including India and two from the WICB (Barbados, and Antigua and Barbuda). Associate nations such as Kenya, Scotland and Ireland also participated. Back then, South Africa won the gold, by defeating Australia in the final match (New Zealand won the bronze medal). This time under pressure from the ICC, they cancelled the men's event and scheduled a 8-team women's event. It makes no sense to have a tournament with just 8 teams.

    The real issue is if women cricket is included in commonwealth then why not men cricket is there? ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.

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    If someone can't get a chance to represent India or Pakistan, then it means that they don't have the necessary quality to take part in top quality cricket. Such players won't do any good even if they move to other teams. They will only steal the chances of hardworking native players. In case of the GCC nations, it is understandable. Without the foreign players, they won't be having a playing XI. But that is not the case with teams such as Kenya and Nepal, because the latter group do have a lot of natives playing cricket.
    Emirates Cricket Board is not hiring players by coming down to India or Pakistan and watching the domestic tournaments. The players that are in the team are expats who moved to GCC and then continuing on their passion of playing Cricket and if they are good enough to be selected they will be hired to play in the National team and there is a selection process for that for expats and once they get selected they would obviously get better perks than they used to get from their normal job and can resign from their designation or have an extended leave and play for the national team and this is how the process works.

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    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 03:47:53 PM
    Quote from: Sithara007 on July 02, 2022, 01:04:34 PM
    Last time we had cricket in commonwealth games was in 1998. Back then, there were a total of 16 participants, including India and two from the WICB (Barbados, and Antigua and Barbuda). Associate nations such as Kenya, Scotland and Ireland also participated. Back then, South Africa won the gold, by defeating Australia in the final match (New Zealand won the bronze medal). This time under pressure from the ICC, they cancelled the men's event and scheduled a 8-team women's event. It makes no sense to have a tournament with just 8 teams.
    The real issue is if women cricket is included in commonwealth then why not men cricket is there? ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.

    That is not going to happen. ICC is not going to give the associate countries good enough chances to improve at the game. and the teams are also not going to improve because of that. ICC just does not want to accept that cricket is not very popular All Around The World and they will have to make cricket popular in a lot of areas.  they just don't have any headaches about it.

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    Quote from: ilovealtcoins on July 03, 2022, 11:55:08 PM
    That is not going to happen. ICC is not going to give the associate countries good enough chances to improve at the game. and the teams are also not going to improve because of that. ICC just does not want to accept that cricket is not very popular All Around The World and they will have to make cricket popular in a lot of areas.  they just don't have any headaches about it.

    Prime reason is that ICC these days is getting sufficient funds from IPL so they don't wanna do anything else. Already teams like Kenya and Zimbabwe are gone from international horizon but icc has no regret about that. As long as icc don't allow associate countries in big events like WC we won't see level of associate countries going up.

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    Quote from: ilovealtcoins on July 03, 2022, 11:55:08 PM
    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 03:47:53 PM
    The real issue is if women cricket is included in commonwealth then why not men cricket is there? ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.
    That is not going to happen. ICC is not going to give the associate countries good enough chances to improve at the game. and the teams are also not going to improve because of that. ICC just does not want to accept that cricket is not very popular All Around The World and they will have to make cricket popular in a lot of areas.  they just don't have any headaches about it.
    ICC's treatment with Associates countries creating some serious confusion because I am feeling they are not interested to bring them into main stream, or they are confused about something so just because of this they are doing nothing for this all even they can do many things which can bring some good revenue and entertainment with this game in many parts of the world which is essential like we are watching FIFA is doing and bringing more quality and better infrastructure for their own main stream.

    With this all they can ensure better media rights, and surely they could be able to have some more sponsors which are important but sadly right now B-4 in ICC having all focus on IPL.

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    For me this all is totally useless and waste of time because if you are accepting pressure from ICC about men event and having only 8 women teams even you can arrange more than stop this all and just go ahead with your crap policies don't waste time with this all.

    If ICC is ever having any positive attitude through this game then surely they try to work with them and arrange under 19 or under 23 teams from men as well which bring some good and interesting matches with only native players allowed to participate because this is also very important right now, but they are pressuring for no men and only eight women which mean they are never having any solid policy for these games and trying to follow their own agenda.

    This is something that I don't understand. In case of football, the governing body has allowed a U-23 competition for Commonwealth Games and Olympics. This serves two purposes at the same time. Emerging and young players get a chance to represent their country, and at the same time the star players can continue playing for their clubs. I am at a loss to understand why the ICC is against this idea? Even a U-19 competition would be mutually beneficial. It will give good exposure to a lot of young players who will represent the senior team in the future.
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    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 03:47:53 PM
    The real issue is if women cricket is included in commonwealth then why not men cricket is there?
    At least they have included it, as we have not seen cricket in Commonwealth Games since 1998. Therefore, it is a positive move and in the future, we may see men's cricket matches too.

    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 03:47:53 PM
    ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.
    ICC is turned into ICP (International cricket politics) Where conspiracies are hatched against small teams.
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    Quote from: CryptoYar on July 05, 2022, 05:44:37 AM
    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 03:47:53 PM
    ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.
    ICC is turned into ICP (International cricket politics) Where conspiracies are hatched against small teams.
    This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. Another important thing, few countries that are into dominance will also suffer as more countries make fast progress.

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    Quote from: Vaskiy on July 05, 2022, 06:18:58 AM
    This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. Another important thing, few countries that are into dominance will also suffer as more countries make fast progress.

    As far as I understand, these are the concerns raised by the BCCI and ICC on Olympic inclusion:

    1. Foreigners won't be allowed to represent. Olympics and Commonwealth Games can be participated only by citizens of a particular country
    2. Stringent testing against performance enhancing drugs.
    3. Cricket board need to report to the national Olympic association for matters related to Olympic Games
    4. No automatic qualification. All the teams need to participate in qualifier tournament
    5. For the duration of Olympics, the cricket calendar maybe blocked due to unavailability of players
    6. Revenue distribution will be decided by the Olympic committee.
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    Quote from: CryptoYar on July 05, 2022, 05:44:37 AM
    Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 03:47:53 PM
    ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.
    ICC is turned into ICP (International cricket politics) Where conspiracies are hatched against small teams.
    Here I agree with @CryptoYar now we can call this ICC as ICP because of their hypocrite political behavior and poor management they need to review about this all constitution if they want to alive in this era which is bringing some strong methods for growing your own things in huge way and can earn big profit, but they are still doing politics which is not helpful for anyone.

    For second question why Commonwealth included men cricket brother they have done this, but ICC refuse this which is wired, and I am unable to provide any solid reply about this because if they consult then surely we have many ways to handle this situation but brainless ICC management have no enough time for this all.

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    Quote from: doomloop on July 05, 2022, 06:33:26 AM
    Here I agree with @CryptoYar now we can call this ICC as ICP because of their hypocrite political behavior and poor management they need to review about this all constitution if they want to alive in this era which is bringing some strong methods for growing your own things in huge way and can earn big profit, but they are still doing politics which is not helpful for anyone.

    For second question why Commonwealth included men cricket brother they have done this, but ICC refuse this which is wired, and I am unable to provide any solid reply about this because if they consult then surely we have many ways to handle this situation but brainless ICC management have no enough time for this all.

    The Commonwealth guys doesn't have balls and that's why it happened. Look at what happened during the Asian Games. The BCCI and ICC told Asian Games Committee that they will not allow cricket to be a part of the Asian Games in 2014. But the latter told them that they don't care about the permission and went ahead with the inclusion of cricket. India refused to send a cricket team, but the tournament was still a success. All the four test nations from Asia (apart from India) participated in the tournament, along with 7 associate nations.
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    Quote from: Vaskiy on July 05, 2022, 06:18:58 AM
    This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. [..]

    90% of the revenue of the International Cricket Council goes from India, which is why the Indian Cricket Board holds the highest dominance over other boards.

    The only solution is; There should be maximum number of bilateral series so that other boards should also stand on their feet and not be ruled by only one board.


    Quote from: doomloop on July 05, 2022, 06:33:26 AM
    Here I agree with @CryptoYar now we can call this ICC as ICP

    Bro, it's pity that cricket is being used as a political weapon. whereas it was a gentleman's game.
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