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    May 09, 2022, 09:02:16 PM
     #19061
    Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2022, 02:28:21 PM
    The reason why I am in favor of cricket's inclusion in Olympics is because being an Olympic sport would mean that countries such as China and Russia will allot more government funds to local cricket bodies. Right now, lower ranking (i.e those with native players) associate nations receive around $10,000 in annual funds from the ICC. The availability of funds can increase by 20x or 40x, if cricket becomes an Olympic sport. And I don't have any issue if Olympic cricket becomes a U-23 tournament. Even U-19 is fine with me.
    I agree with you this idea because this is going to be very good for many associate countries and then surely we can adopt some policy which helps native players to join their teams instead of having players from other countries like right now we have in many teams. Here we can go like Soccer which allow U-23 teams for Olympics, so ICC also can implement law like this which could bring some good interest for many youths, and we can watch some very entertaining cricket from these youths.

    But for this all foremost we have to send these all suggestions to ICC and relative peoples which is never been easy task, but hopefully something good will happen for this great game of cricket.

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    May 09, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
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    Quote from: S A KHAIR on May 09, 2022, 10:25:26 AM
    it really hurts to see cricket not having any Long Term plan. because as cricket fans we all expect that cricket is going to be played even after we are dead and will be played by many future generations but ICC does not think about the game like that. they are just thinking,’ do I have enough money? yes, I do so cricket is good.
    Recently with the introduction of T20 things are change very quickly hopefully in near future we will have some good news with many countries are trying to adopt this new format and bringing their intention in this game but sadly for entry of cricket in Olympics and Asian games we have to wait as this happen surely this will bring some big change and many new countries also join this game as they will be able to have some good funds from IOC and other relative spots authorities.

    But, this can hurt our few associates with Olympics has their own system, and they mostly love countries have their own native players instead of having adopted countries which is also good for the game but not for these countries those are bringing players from Sub-Continent for better results instead of having their own domestic set up.
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    May 09, 2022, 11:59:26 PM
     #19063
    Quote from: dezoel on May 09, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
    Quote from: S A KHAIR on May 09, 2022, 10:25:26 AM
    it really hurts to see cricket not having any Long Term plan. because as cricket fans we all expect that cricket is going to be played even after we are dead and will be played by many future generations but ICC does not think about the game like that. they are just thinking,’ do I have enough money? yes, I do so cricket is good.
    Recently with the introduction of T20 things are change very quickly hopefully in near future we will have some good news with many countries are trying to adopt this new format and bringing their intention in this game but sadly for entry of cricket in Olympics and Asian games we have to wait as this happen surely this will bring some big change and many new countries also join this game as they will be able to have some good funds from IOC and other relative spots authorities.

    But, this can hurt our few associates with Olympics has their own system, and they mostly love countries have their own native players instead of having adopted countries which is also good for the game but not for these countries those are bringing players from Sub-Continent for better results instead of having their own domestic set up.
    In the past there were more discussion that cricket is time consuming for which Western nations were not into it. Slowly this has changed as the popularity of cricket keeps increasing around the world. As said, few countries are dominant in this and more countries participation will make cricket to be big as soccer. When we talk of Olympics, there is nothing to complicate. When it is asked to the Olympic committee it is said that no application has been received so for to add cricket. We don't know what is the truth.

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    Quote from: KennyR on May 09, 2022, 11:59:26 PM
    In the past there were more discussion that cricket is time consuming for which Western nations were not into it. Slowly this has changed as the popularity of cricket keeps increasing around the world. As said, few countries are dominant in this and more countries participation will make cricket to be big as soccer. When we talk of Olympics, there is nothing to complicate. When it is asked to the Olympic committee it is said that no application has been received so for to add cricket. We don't know what is the truth.

    Well.. that is the truth. The IOC reported that they haven't received any application from the ICC, to make cricket as one of the disciplines in Olympic Games. The ICC on the other hand has been trying to fool the fans, by claiming otherwise. Recent opinion polls found overwhelming support from the fans regarding Olympic inclusion. But the businessmen who are in power at the ICC remain opposed to it, for obvious reasons. Now I don't think that IOC will give any special treatment to ICC, when they don't need to do the same with other sports bodies such as the FIFA, FIBA and the FIH.
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    May 10, 2022, 03:21:12 AM
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    Quote from: Sithara007 on May 10, 2022, 02:43:21 AM
    Quote from: KennyR on May 09, 2022, 11:59:26 PM
    In the past there were more discussion that cricket is time consuming for which Western nations were not into it. Slowly this has changed as the popularity of cricket keeps increasing around the world. As said, few countries are dominant in this and more countries participation will make cricket to be big as soccer. When we talk of Olympics, there is nothing to complicate. When it is asked to the Olympic committee it is said that no application has been received so for to add cricket. We don't know what is the truth.

    Well.. that is the truth. The IOC reported that they haven't received any application from the ICC, to make cricket as one of the disciplines in Olympic Games. The ICC on the other hand has been trying to fool the fans, by claiming otherwise. Recent opinion polls found overwhelming support from the fans regarding Olympic inclusion. But the businessmen who are in power at the ICC remain opposed to it, for obvious reasons. Now I don't think that IOC will give any special treatment to ICC, when they don't need to do the same with other sports bodies such as the FIFA, FIBA and the FIH.

    @Sithara007 is it even possible to have test cricket in the Olympics in a hypothetical scenario, because won’t it increase the length of the Olympics too much?.

    Furthermore does cricket really needs Olympics? because it’s already popular, and even if it never gets added to the Olympics then too it’ll do just fine in my personal opinion.

    Lastly instead of getting cricket into Olympics ICC should focus primarily on making test cricket more interesting via night tests, and use of pink balls as I had suggested previously.

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    May 10, 2022, 06:15:07 AM
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    Quote from: Sithara007 on May 10, 2022, 02:43:21 AM
    Well.. that is the truth. The IOC reported that they haven't received any application from the ICC, to make cricket as one of the disciplines in Olympic Games. The ICC on the other hand has been trying to fool the fans, by claiming otherwise. Recent opinion polls found overwhelming support from the fans regarding Olympic inclusion. But the businessmen who are in power at the ICC remain opposed to it, for obvious reasons. Now I don't think that IOC will give any special treatment to ICC, when they don't need to do the same with other sports bodies such as the FIFA, FIBA and the FIH.

    I really don't understand why ICC is not really interested in adding cricket to the Olympic games. I think ICC might be thinking that they want to add we get into the Olympic Games after it becomes a bigger game and has more importance globally but I also don't see them trying to do that as well.



    Quote from: Juggy777 on May 10, 2022, 03:21:12 AM
    @Sithara007 is it even possible to have test cricket in the Olympics in a hypothetical scenario, because won’t it increase the length of the Olympics too much?.

    Furthermore does cricket really needs Olympics? because it’s already popular, and even if it never gets added to the Olympics then too it’ll do just fine in my personal opinion.

    Lastly instead of getting cricket into Olympics ICC should focus primarily on making test cricket more interesting via night tests, and use of pink balls as I had suggested previously.

    I really am not going to say cricket is popular when the World Cup of cricket is being played by only 10 to 12 teams. And I really don't think test cricket being in the Olympics is going to be a good idea. T20 cricket is the best idea for Olympic cricket. and I don't say making test cricket formula is going to do anything because eventually it is going to die and it will be a waste of time to try to revive this format .



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    May 10, 2022, 07:20:04 AM
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    Quote from: KennyR on May 09, 2022, 11:59:26 PM
    In the past there were more discussion that cricket is time consuming for which Western nations were not into it. Slowly this has changed as the popularity of cricket keeps increasing around the world. As said, few countries are dominant in this and more countries participation will make cricket to be big as soccer. When we talk of Olympics, there is nothing to complicate. When it is asked to the Olympic committee it is said that no application has been received so for to add cricket. We don't know what is the truth.
    With this all we can understand what is going on ICC is not interested and because here few countries can lose their worth with this all, so they are not interested in any positive thing for cricket.

    Because few months back I read somewhere ICC announced they already send their application, and we are going to Olympics after 10 to 15 years but with this statement all is clear that these corrupt shits are not giving any priority for having good and respective things for cricket and playing their own dirty games for benefiting their Gulf region sponsors. I am going with IOC as they are right they have no application from ICC because these are liars and crap peoples those are working around ICC.

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    Quote from: Sithara007 on May 10, 2022, 02:43:21 AM
    Well.. that is the truth. The IOC reported that they haven't received any application from the ICC, to make cricket as one of the disciplines in Olympic Games. The ICC on the other hand has been trying to fool the fans, by claiming otherwise. Recent opinion polls found overwhelming support from the fans regarding Olympic inclusion. But the businessmen who are in power at the ICC remain opposed to it, for obvious reasons. Now I don't think that IOC will give any special treatment to ICC, when they don't need to do the same with other sports bodies such as the FIFA, FIBA and the FIH.

    If this is true then its very bad act by ICC. I searched and wasn't able to find any authentic source where IOC says that they haven't received any request from ICC. On ICC official websiteI found this:

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    The International Cricket Council has today confirmed its intention to bid for cricket’s inclusion in the Olympic Games. The ICC has convened a Working Group to lead the bid on behalf of the sport which will be focused on cricket becoming part of the Olympic family for LA 2028, Brisbane 2032 and beyond.

    If its true then why ICC is doing so? One main reason can be that Big-3 doesn't want more countries to participate in cricket so that they remain sole king.

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    May 10, 2022, 01:03:12 PM
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    Quote from: dezoel on May 09, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
    Quote from: S A KHAIR on May 09, 2022, 10:25:26 AM
    it really hurts to see cricket not having any Long Term plan. because as cricket fans we all expect that cricket is going to be played even after we are dead and will be played by many future generations but ICC does not think about the game like that. they are just thinking,’ do I have enough money? yes, I do so cricket is good.
    Recently with the introduction of T20 things are change very quickly hopefully in near future we will have some good news with many countries are trying to adopt this new format and bringing their intention in this game but sadly for entry of cricket in Olympics and Asian games we have to wait as this happen surely this will bring some big change and many new countries also join this game as they will be able to have some good funds from IOC and other relative spots authorities.

    But, this can hurt our few associates with Olympics has their own system, and they mostly love countries have their own native players instead of having adopted countries which is also good for the game but not for these countries those are bringing players from Sub-Continent for better results instead of having their own domestic set up.
    I believe T20 is going to give the new world countries a chance to get recognized with cricket because the other two formats require a lot more skill than T20 cricket. it would be really great to see at least 20  teams participating in the cricket World Cup. And I hope the number is going to increase gradually.



    Quote from: KennyR on May 09, 2022, 11:59:26 PM

    In the past there were more discussion that cricket is time consuming for which Western nations were not into it. Slowly this has changed as the popularity of cricket keeps increasing around the world. As said, few countries are dominant in this and more countries participation will make cricket to be big as soccer. When we talk of Olympics, there is nothing to complicate. When it is asked to the Olympic committee it is said that no application has been received so for to add cricket. We don't know what is the truth.
    ICC is really not interested to make cricket a bigger spot around the world but I think the T20 cricket is really going to attract more and more countries towards cricket because it is obviously not that time-consuming. so I believe cricket can have a global acceptance through T20 cricket.

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    May 10, 2022, 01:50:39 PM
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    Quote from: MinMan on May 10, 2022, 07:20:04 AM
    Quote from: KennyR on May 09, 2022, 11:59:26 PM
    In the past there were more discussion that cricket is time consuming for which Western nations were not into it. Slowly this has changed as the popularity of cricket keeps increasing around the world. As said, few countries are dominant in this and more countries participation will make cricket to be big as soccer. When we talk of Olympics, there is nothing to complicate. When it is asked to the Olympic committee it is said that no application has been received so for to add cricket. We don't know what is the truth.
    With this all we can understand what is going on ICC is not interested and because here few countries can lose their worth with this all, so they are not interested in any positive thing for cricket.

    Because few months back I read somewhere ICC announced they already send their application, and we are going to Olympics after 10 to 15 years but with this statement all is clear that these corrupt shits are not giving any priority for having good and respective things for cricket and playing their own dirty games for benefiting their Gulf region sponsors. I am going with IOC as they are right they have no application from ICC because these are liars and crap peoples those are working around ICC.

    I really don't think that ICC is actually worried about inserting cricket into the Olympic games because they are very happy with the money that has been generated by cricket and they are very happy by just sitting in the house and counting that money. Right now I really don't have any high hopes about cricket and I know with the current ICC members nothing is going to go well for cricket. this peoples just want money and they are not worried about the greatness of the game at all.
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    Well.. that is the truth. The IOC reported that they haven't received any application from the ICC, to make cricket as one of the disciplines in Olympic Games. The ICC on the other hand has been trying to fool the fans, by claiming otherwise. Recent opinion polls found overwhelming support from the fans regarding Olympic inclusion. But the businessmen who are in power at the ICC remain opposed to it, for obvious reasons. Now I don't think that IOC will give any special treatment to ICC, when they don't need to do the same with other sports bodies such as the FIFA, FIBA and the FIH.

    @Sithara007 is it even possible to have test cricket in the Olympics in a hypothetical scenario, because won’t it increase the length of the Olympics too much?.

    Furthermore does cricket really needs Olympics? because it’s already popular, and even if it never gets added to the Olympics then too it’ll do just fine in my personal opinion.

    Lastly instead of getting cricket into Olympics ICC should focus primarily on making test cricket more interesting via night tests, and use of pink balls as I had suggested previously.
    Arey bhai you are taking this conversation on completely different level, may be you missed the previous discussion in the last page

    No one actually talking or implying about test format inclusion in the Olympics. Discussion is all about T-20 format > Olympic.
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    I really don't think that ICC is actually worried about inserting cricket into the Olympic games because they are very happy with the money that has been generated by cricket and they are very happy by just sitting in the house and counting that money. Right now I really don't have any high hopes about cricket and I know with the current ICC members nothing is going to go well for cricket. this peoples just want money and they are not worried about the greatness of the game at all.

    But if ICC takes cricket to olympics then it means more countries will join and more money will come to ICC. Its not icc that is against taking cricket to olympics rather its the big powers of cricket behind that move aka big 3. Who will give importance to BCCI when there are 40 to 50 countries playing cricket.

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    Quote from: blatchcorn on May 10, 2022, 03:09:44 PM
    Quote from: rugrats on May 10, 2022, 01:50:39 PM
    I really don't think that ICC is actually worried about inserting cricket into the Olympic games because they are very happy with the money that has been generated by cricket and they are very happy by just sitting in the house and counting that money. Right now I really don't have any high hopes about cricket and I know with the current ICC members nothing is going to go well for cricket. this peoples just want money and they are not worried about the greatness of the game at all.
    But if ICC takes cricket to olympics then it means more countries will join and more money will come to ICC. Its not icc that is against taking cricket to olympics rather its the big powers of cricket behind that move aka big 3. Who will give importance to BCCI when there are 40 to 50 countries playing cricket.

    Yes, I guess that's true because if a lot more countries start playing cricket,  people will eventually give less importance to the bigger teams that have a good amount of authority over the ICC. We can see that in other sports there are a lot of countries taking participation but I have not seen in any of those Sports any kind of domination by the bigger teams like this. I think ICC needs to think with a straight mind and start thinking about making the game a lot more acceptable to the whole world.
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    ICC is really not interested to make cricket a bigger spot around the world but I think the T20 cricket is really going to attract more and more countries towards cricket because it is obviously not that time-consuming. so I believe cricket can have a global acceptance through T20 cricket.
    I responded to these earlier as well. If you are the president of ICC, what you will do to make the sports bigger. How many billions you will be spending to create interest in a country that is not a viable business place for them. The basic thing to create interest is the incentives you get in a sport and how much do you think an associate team member gets annually. Average is $15k annually and the top players might get around $60k and with that kind of financial instability you cannot expect the best athletes from a non playing nation to start playing cricket.

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    Yes, I guess that's true because if a lot more countries start playing cricket,  people will eventually give less importance to the bigger teams that have a good amount of authority over the ICC. We can see that in other sports there are a lot of countries taking participation but I have not seen in any of those Sports any kind of domination by the bigger teams like this. I think ICC needs to think with a straight mind and start thinking about making the game a lot more acceptable to the whole world.

    ICC cant think on its own as it is managed and controlled by Big 3. India who is king in cricket world, have you seen influence of India in any other game? If countries like USA, China, Russia or other such big powers join the cricket then who will listen to these big 3? As long as ICC is in the hands of big 3 forget about Olympics or more countries inclusion in cricket eco-system.   

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    Quote from: coinism on May 11, 2022, 05:15:25 AM
    Quote from: rugrats on May 10, 2022, 05:35:42 PM
    Yes, I guess that's true because if a lot more countries start playing cricket,  people will eventually give less importance to the bigger teams that have a good amount of authority over the ICC. We can see that in other sports there are a lot of countries taking participation but I have not seen in any of those Sports any kind of domination by the bigger teams like this. I think ICC needs to think with a straight mind and start thinking about making the game a lot more acceptable to the whole world.

    ICC cant think on its own as it is managed and controlled by Big 3. India who is king in cricket world, have you seen influence of India in any other game? If countries like USA, China, Russia or other such big powers join the cricket then who will listen to these big 3? As long as ICC is in the hands of big 3 forget about Olympics or more countries inclusion in cricket eco-system.   

    There is no type of influence like this in any other sports by the better performing or any teams with better money in the sports body.

    Yes there can be certain cases made like in football there are some Russian persons in very important positions in football and that's why the 2018 World Cup was held in Russia,  but other than that the problem is not that major like cricket,  where it seems like the sports body is almost controlled by a certain group of cricket boards.
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    ICC is really not interested to make cricket a bigger spot around the world but I think the T20 cricket is really going to attract more and more countries towards cricket because it is obviously not that time-consuming. so I believe cricket can have a global acceptance through T20 cricket.
    I responded to these earlier as well. If you are the president of ICC, what you will do to make the sports bigger. How many billions you will be spending to create interest in a country that is not a viable business place for them. The basic thing to create interest is the incentives you get in a sport and how much do you think an associate team member gets annually. Average is $15k annually and the top players might get around $60k and with that kind of financial instability you cannot expect the best athletes from a non playing nation to start playing cricket.

    Yes, that is true and that's why more time and resources need to be spent the on the smaller Nations who are showing even a little interest in cricket and even though they are not in a good position in cricket right now,  those countries which certainly has the potential should be helped by the ICC. otherwise, they are obviously not going to be interested to take cricket as their occupation when the pay is so little.

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    Quote from: rugrats on May 11, 2022, 10:28:50 AM

    There is no type of influence like this in any other sports by the better performing or any teams with better money in the sports body.

    Yes there can be certain cases made like in football there are some Russian persons in very important positions in football and that's why the 2018 World Cup was held in Russia,  but other than that the problem is not that major like cricket,  where it seems like the sports body is almost controlled by a certain group of cricket boards.

    Giving host rights of WC to Russia is fine as long as they fulfill requirements of the football WC. Cricket is totally a different thing, here only 3 countries have full control. Before 2000, icc was very much neutral but after 2010 it went totally in control of big3. I don't think this is good for cricket in the long run.

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    @Sithara007 is it even possible to have test cricket in the Olympics in a hypothetical scenario, because won’t it increase the length of the Olympics too much?.

    Furthermore does cricket really needs Olympics? because it’s already popular, and even if it never gets added to the Olympics then too it’ll do just fine in my personal opinion.

    Lastly instead of getting cricket into Olympics ICC should focus primarily on making test cricket more interesting via night tests, and use of pink balls as I had suggested previously.

    OK.. let me answer it point by point

    1. We are talking about the inclusion of T20 cricket in Olympics (not test or ODI). Thanks to JSRAW, for already clarifying this. There are suggestions that T10 should be the format for Olympics, but I don't agree. T10 is more like baseball and hardly has anything to do with cricket.

    2. Yes. Cricket needs Olympics. That would make sure that associate nations receive funds from their respective governments. If the ICC doesn't want this, then they should increase the associate funding by 50x or 100x. And a popular sport is not something that is restricted to 4-5 countries.

    3. Test cricket is dead, whether you want to admit it or not. Soon ODI will be dead as well. Night test will give it a temporary boost, but in the end you can't beat a dead horse hoping that it will wake up.
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    2. Yes. Cricket needs Olympics. That would make sure that associate nations receive funds from their respective governments. If the ICC doesn't want this, then they should increase the associate funding by 50x or 100x. And a popular sport is not something that is restricted to 4-5 countries.


    There are many countries who don't take cricket seriously otherwise but there are fair chances that if cricket goes to Olympics then many countries will start taking cricket seriously. Also going to Olympics means more people will get to know about this sports and that will inturn increase number of countries participating in cricket. Real thing is, when we will see cricket in Olympics.
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