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    September 04, 2014, 12:09:11 AM
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    Again, in simple English, the evidence for God is the existence of the kind of universe we live in.

    For a moment, get any preconceived notions of God as you have heard of him through the religions, out of your mind. Then consider the following.

    The whole universe, all of nature, acts like a gigantic, ultra-complex machine. Machines have makers.

    At the same time we see the machine, everything is wearing out, running down, like a clock that needs to be wound up. We see nothing in nature that can make a machine anything like the universe. We don't see anything that can wind the clock of nature up again. Nothing!

    If nature were not so complex, if we could figure it out in detail, then maybe there isn't a God. But, simply because of the way the whole universe and nature exist, there has to be a God. Machines have makers. And this Maker is way beyond us, far greater than we can ever think to be.

    Proof is in the eye of the beholder. But the evidence is so overwhelmingly great that there simply is no other way.

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    So your saying the universe is too complex to just appear, yet God (who would need to be exponentially more complex) just popped up?

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    I think the problem is there is no clear definition of what God is. Everyone has their own interpretation. Which means no-ones is going to get anywhere.
    I think before discussing proof of God, everyone has to agree exactly what God is.


    If a person just popped into being, and there was God, it would seem to the person that God just popped up along with everything else.

    The closest thing that we probably have to a machine that is more complex than its maker, would be a computer program that is designed to make another computer program that is more complicated. Is God more complex than the universe He made? Who knows? While the existence of the universe as it is super-strongly suggests His existence, scientifically speaking we haven't been able to find Him through what we call standard scientific means and methods.

    When you can't find God, especially through scientific means, where are you going to get a definition of God, to say nothing about a clear definition? And when you are talking about a God that is probably outside of the universe, to our little minds, that doesn't even make sense. Defining God has already been done many times over, even though the definitions are probably wrong, or at least incomplete.

    There are probably quite a few people who won't come back to this thread because they can't find anything they would call conclusive. Yet, judging by the number of hits, there is some interest. People are trying to find God.

    Smiley

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