Someone over at Freedom's Phoenix has been watching our debate.

"Why does the Universe Exist?"

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/162450-2014-09-05-why-does-the-universe-exist.htm

http://www.ted.com/talks/jim_holt_why_does_the_universe_exist

what if, just what if God was just a normal man. And over the years stories just were told was over hyped.  

And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.

Of course, if we considered that god was a normal man... then we'd still have to figure out how to contact the Guy Who created the universe.

I have done and said about as much as I will, except that I may repeat it now and again. Nobody can force you to believe anything you don't want. But even if I could, I won't. That is not the thing that God wants anyone to do, force anyone else to believe, or to do much of anything else. God offers freedom to all people. So, continue on in your way. The time will come when God will answer you, Himself, as He will answer me.

Tes spaguettis volantes c'est comme pour quand tu a un plat de spaguettis devant toi et juste avant de commencer à le manger tu t'aperçois qu'il n'es plus là ??

Well, I too am at the end of this, for aside's from those that like to fill threads with comments and pictures completely un-related to the topic in question, most of which are useless in the search for diety.., for instance, quoting books that are apparently 'god's' books, or holy books.

The evidence for 'diety' or a 'false idol' is everywhere..

Quite simply, millions of people go to pray. Fact. The rituals they do can indeed produce result's, though wether this is a result of prayer is debatable in itself.. note however I say 'ritual' instead of 'pray'.

This evidence is like yin and yang.

There are those who use a system I shall call magic which HAS proven over and over again, works.

The 'good' go to hallowed ground and do things like that 'lord's' work, the bad do the same in an opposite manner, for they worship the opposing factor's work. Regardless of which side they choose, the system used is identical, asides from one FACT. To get results considered 'Good', they go in one direction. Do get 'Bad' results, they go in an opposite direction. This is scientifically provable, for there are government's who plaster icons from either side, all over their building's, advert's etc, in the guise of logo's, another way of writing LOGOS which is the scource of all. For this LOGOS sent forth 3 devine sparks.. Flame, Form, and MIND. In the Emerald tablets, or any of the holy books, All 3, (holy trinity, three rays of light??) are scientifically PROVEN to exist, recognised more today as Flame form and fashion, or mind body and soul, to name a few, this trinity producing the human being. The origional 7 planets which the days of the week are named after, start from 3 to 7. The 'Key of the 7' found in the Emerald Tablet's shows us that there is NO 0, 1, or 2. Instead, the first '3' is shown as a triangle, that same triangle found at the center of some very factual material found online. The key of the 7 starts from 3, and finishes at 9, showing only seven FACTS from the universal language, maths. These FACTS are the days of the week, named after their respective planets, or lords.

All is repetition, the key to magic.  The Fact that churches etc exist proves nothing. That they are built to the maths of nature is SOMETHING, and VERY provable.

You see, most cant see the bigger picture, despite me dotting bit's of evidence everywhere throughout, what, 3 or 4 threads?

Nuns, priests, etc, that do their gods work do so from a church. These 'should' (for want of a better word) be doing the GOOD work, and practice what they preach.

So who are their opposing factor? For the laymen, I'll say occultists do the devils work, or the bad/evil work.. Freemasonry is occult, worshipping the dark science's, or quite simply, they do everything the preists do, but in the opposite direction, each step, each raise of the hands etc..

Both side's would NOT be doing anything resembling these 'ritual's' if they got NO results.

In the search for scientific proof of god, this is the path you must walk, in order to collect the same evidence that gave the powers that run this planet, ie, governments, their power.

Remember, magic is only knowledge unknown. Once known, it is not only wisdom, it is power.

Stonehenge was torn apart to prevent an evil one being born on this earth, an evil one whose father was a seventh son who fucked his seventh child (daughter) who was then killed on the bluestone (from atlantis) altar, on the night of a certain full moon. The daugter was with child, (pregnant), and at the point of this unborn childs birth, another child was killed at the same time, one goes out, one comes in. How many 'christian' movies show this same reminder to prevent this shit happening again?

The evidence is everywhere, for the evidence of EITHER god or the devil, me, I think they are ONE, we can prove the devil but not god? Gimme a fuckin break.. the only people wanting this evidence DONT believe in either, or have zero un-natural experience's, that would make them question the FACT that something governs (controls) this 'magic' that, of course, the majority, do not WANT believe in, regardless of the evidence.
 

How is 'what' proof of god, ie, to what are you referring?

To say we came from one woman and one man is sick. There are millions upon millions of bacteria.. which millions of years ago, grew into some form of human, the problem most dont see, is that one of these bacteria washed up on one bit of land and started to crawl until they grew legs, titties, n that lovely sweetness we all love.. and the other was on a land mass at the other side of the world. Neither knew anything about walking that far, never mind having the knowledge of building a boat, but they did see more of their kind come out of the water.. most certainly more than one or two.. ie adam and eve.

The story of adam and eve is actually a story of where to find a certain knowledge, by biting from the apple, the stupid bastard choked, was saved by, and had a knowledge of whatever 'other' side, or dont folks know anything?

I guess you are referring to the dogone tribe of mali?

The source of the DOG star etc?

I can write pretty good, as in authoring a book. But my stories are a bit mediocre.

You have the wild stories, but your writing isn't so much the kind that people might like to read.

Maybe we should get together and write some wild science fiction. That's a good one you have there, where millions and millions of bacteria grew into people somehow. Now, we need to add the part about how they were struck by lightning, and that's when they got the idea to turn. And we need some kind of cataclysmic event that forced them to make the decision.

But there still isn't enough detail to make a smooth flowing sci-fi story. We gotta make a good part about where the bacteria came from in the first place. And we should figure out a plausible method for them to convert once they got struck by the lightning.

I was trying to get some ideas from all the different forms of evolution theory that have come and gone over the decades, but there are always too many holes in those stories. So, I looked at a lot of sci-fi stories, and the only ones that had enough info had way too many boring details.

Then again, there's so much science fiction out there that the odds of ever getting published are something like the odds that evolution could have happened... like, impossible. Besides, people are getting too smart, these days, to believe that nonsense anymore... or they simply don't have the time to care. Even the formal science sci-fi scientists are having to come up with ever wilder evolution theories, simply to keep their audience spellbound enough that they don't lose all their funding in the universities, etc.

Well, we should probably just forget the whole idea. But it is a thought. What if our evolution sci-fi stories became the dominant ones? We just might be able to make a lot of money off the true believers, like the university, evolution profs do.

At last.. someone with an understanding enough to at least recognise something enough to coment.. there is no sci-fi story, that is nothing more than the remix of the same tune remixed by a plethora of writers taught the same pattern.. by adaption.

Sci fi is fake science, producing ideas discovered before you or I could copywrite it, simple using the technology of team viewer (latest adaption) like they do to fix your 'premium' account of your mobile Phone.. it is a business model used by many to confuse the mass's.. who in the end are blown up instead of those that implement the point it got to for someone to do so.

I for one will never accept as my religion as something I will defend knowing that they have broken their own laws period, by killing another human being, or allowing said process.. by using force instead of understanding why not to.. why not?

They broke their own law, and think they can make it ok.. using nothing more than a language they created in order to produce same results a multi meter is designed to produce, flame, form, and mind.

I dont mind if it dont matter.. <this refers the obvious..

With regards to publishing, I do have cert's in multimedia production, just cant be bothered with that direction..

The best kept secrets are best not shared online.. hahaha...

But there arte no secret's.. or they would not be able to re-produce..