I DID notice that question mark after the title. And, I agree that the evidence in this thread is concrete proof that there is not enough evidence in this thread for the PROOF.

The real question that I have is, are any of "them" so great that they have gone beyond controlling us in our little, everyday life? That's what I would like to know. Do they hold the answer to life itself - enough that there are some of "them" that are, say, 500 years old, and still living and thriving - for real?

At this stage, I don't even care who they are. I simply want to know if their control extends that far. Because if it doesn't, we just might have a chance at bypassing "them" and finding the proof.

Isn't it wonderful how all these symbiants, that largely rely on each other just magically popped into existence, individually, and somehow combined into even more complex life forms? All while being part of a very efficient and fragile ecosystem that is very well balanced?

Are you really so dense to believe all of this magically popped into existence out of nowhere?

Please fill an aquarium with water and food and everything a fish needs, and see if in a million years or so a fish will swim in there. I'll save you the time and tell you, there won't be any fish, not in a day, not in a week, not Ina million years and not in a billion years. Simply because evolution does not work the way evolutionists want you to believe it does, and abiogenesis (spontaneous creation of life from non-life) is impossable.

If you really think abiogenesis is possible (which is completely based on faith, and illogical faiths as well) show me proof of where and when it occurred/occurs. If it ever happened it should happen all the time, since that's how laws of nature work, they are persistent, unlike miracles, laws of nature are constant. If we assume life is a miracle, than it makes perfect sense we don't see creation of new life every day, since the seed for life was a miracle, and it may very well have only occurred once ever. But if it was not a miracle, and a spontaneous occurrence based in nothing more than the laws of nature itself, than why don't we see it happen regularly?

I'll tell you, because  it's not true. Abiogenesis is simply not possible, it has not happened, and it will not happen. Life is life and inanimate is inanimate. Something inanimate will never come to life.

This is exactly why God wants us to have faith. The universe and nature are full of many wonderful evidences for God. In fact, we are so close to proving that God exists by the evidences, that we are right on top of the proof. Yet, we will never get there. God is too big. We might have revelations from Him. But we won't ever quite get scientific proof. The evidences are there to show us that we don't have to have blind faith. God is making faith easy for us through the multitudes of evidences for His existence.

If you don't accept the existence of God, you are working for the Devil by default. So that makes YOU one of HIS trolls.

Here is something interesting. It is also possible what most think is God, was actually ancient aliens. Look up the wiki article on Ancient Astronaut theory and how certain events in the bible could've been weapons of mass destruction from aliens.

even if that were to be true, where did the aliens come from?

where did the universe come from?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/troll?s=t

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1. (in Scandinavian folklore) any of a race of supernatural beings, sometimes conceived as giants and sometimes as dwarfs, inhabiting caves or subterranean dwellings.

I still dont understand why people dont want to be gods, we could truly become such a force in the future. I for one dont like the idea of some single entity controlling me and having more power than me.

god did not just happen, god always was.

god predates the universe, god predates time itself.

how is this possible, you say?

Well, the bible does not answer this in detail, all it says is that god existed before anything, and that god has no beginning and no end. However, i developed a theory based on that.

God is not limited by the universal laws, because he created those laws in the first place. The speed of light, the 4 dimensions we see (three spatial dimensions plus time), gravity, etc. All are the works of god, and he existed before any of those laws were written.

Before anything, he created the laws of the universe, including time. After that, he created the universe itself, bound by those laws. During all this, he existed, but not within the limited universe. He is an extra-dimensional being, and he can choose to enter our dimension if he wishes, but we can not enter his dimension. It's a bit like 'flatlanders' (google it if you don't know what i mean by that). To god, we are flatlanders, we just can't even imagine the dimension he lives in, and we refer to it as heaven. Heaven is not bound by the same rules as the visible universe.

So, if god created time, and he obviously had to exist before time existed in order to create time, than we can conclude that god ALWAYS was, because anything that existed BEFORE time and space, existed always and will always exist.

This also makes sense because the universe DID have a beginning (study thermophysics and specifically entropy and you'll come to the conclusion that the universe must have had a beginning, a state of zero entropy, since negative entropy is not possible, it must have had a definite beginning), and there is no space without time and there is no time without space. And what was before time? Nothing, just god.

So, even though it's illogical and a huge leap of faith to claim the universe just spontaneously came into being, it is NOT a leap of faith to believe some powerful extra-dimensional benign being existed even before the universe. In some weird alternate dimension that has COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RULES. This totally makes sense and even though it can not scientifically be proven (unless we invent a trans-dimensional something, and god does not prevent it) it is the most logical answer to the facts we have.