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    December 13, 2019, 06:08:53 AM
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    Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2019, 05:22:44 AM
    Quote from: Sithara007 on December 13, 2019, 02:32:19 AM
    Look at the current state of the South African team. Two decades back, they used to be the no.1 ODI side. Now they can't even give a good fight against the top teams.
    I am missing those old South African team which is considered to the level of Australia even if they didn't won the world cup trophy due to their players ability but currently they failed to create/find new talent which makes then to suffer a lot but the great thing is they were looking talents in their country so even if they won a trophy they can proudly say we won but other teams you mentioned may not have that much of feeling.

    Cricket is becoming a business more than a game...

    South Africa was a very strong team in the past, but they lost thier way due to the quota system which forces their team to comprise of 6 black players. If South Africa seriously wishes to compete against the top teams then they need to get rid of the quota system, and start selecting players on thier merits and how they perform in the domestic leagues.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/07/01/crickets-quota-system-has-impacted-south-africa/

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    December 13, 2019, 06:21:25 AM
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    Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2019, 05:22:44 AM
    I am missing those old South African team which is considered to the level of Australia even if they didn't won the world cup trophy due to their players ability but currently they failed to create/find new talent which makes then to suffer a lot but the great thing is they were looking talents in their country so even if they won a trophy they can proudly say we won but other teams you mentioned may not have that much of feeling.
    South African cricket board destroyed themselves by implement color rules and regulations rather than selecting players on their skill level and if you start selecting players on that merit then you will see many players leaving for better opportunity as they are uncertain about their playing career when your selection panel starts selecting players to fulfill their quota.

    Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2019, 05:22:44 AM
    Cricket is becoming a business more than a game...
    All the sports have incorporated business and you cannot blame that on cricket alone.

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    December 13, 2019, 07:44:16 AM
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    Quote from: Juggy777 on December 13, 2019, 06:08:53 AM
    Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2019, 05:22:44 AM
    Quote from: Sithara007 on December 13, 2019, 02:32:19 AM
    Look at the current state of the South African team. Two decades back, they used to be the no.1 ODI side. Now they can't even give a good fight against the top teams.
    I am missing those old South African team which is considered to the level of Australia even if they didn't won the world cup trophy due to their players ability but currently they failed to create/find new talent which makes then to suffer a lot but the great thing is they were looking talents in their country so even if they won a trophy they can proudly say we won but other teams you mentioned may not have that much of feeling.

    Cricket is becoming a business more than a game...

    South Africa was a very strong team in the past, but they lost thier way due to the quota system which forces their team to comprise of 6 black players. If South Africa seriously wishes to compete against the top teams then they need to get rid of the quota system, and start selecting players on thier merits and how they perform in the domestic leagues.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/07/01/crickets-quota-system-has-impacted-south-africa/
    I hope south African cricket board will realize the importance of skills not the skin color matters while they were represnting for a country's sport.Then only they can aim for a world cup trophy which is about to happen on March 2023.

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    December 13, 2019, 10:27:18 AM
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    Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2019, 07:44:16 AM
    I hope south African cricket board will realize the importance of skills not the skin color matters while they were represnting for a country's sport.Then only they can aim for a world cup trophy which is about to happen on March 2023.

    I don't really think that Cricket South Africa cares much about winning tournaments. Some 50-60 good players have migrated to other countries during the past 10-15 years, and CSA have never tried to bring them back. Even many of the existing players (such as AB de Villiers) were forced to retire early, after they caught up in the team politics.

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    December 13, 2019, 12:44:40 PM
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    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 13, 2019, 10:27:18 AM
    Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2019, 07:44:16 AM
    I hope south African cricket board will realize the importance of skills not the skin color matters while they were represnting for a country's sport.Then only they can aim for a world cup trophy which is about to happen on March 2023.

    I don't really think that Cricket South Africa cares much about winning tournaments. Some 50-60 good players have migrated to other countries during the past 10-15 years, and CSA have never tried to bring them back. Even many of the existing players (such as AB de Villiers) were forced to retire early, after they caught up in the team politics.
    This isn't happening only with South Africa. There'll be politics in each and every country's cricket board. In countries like India there is politics, but they create reasons and give retirement ans at times keeps players on rest. From India we can see large number of players getting their names on teams like UAE, Malaysia, Singapore and so on. One such player of India making big records from another country is Muthiah Muralidaran.
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    December 13, 2019, 02:37:05 PM
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    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 13, 2019, 10:27:18 AM
    I don't really think that Cricket South Africa cares much about winning tournaments. Some 50-60 good players have migrated to other countries during the past 10-15 years, and CSA have never tried to bring them back. Even many of the existing players (such as AB de Villiers) were forced to retire early, after they caught up in the team politics.
    South Africa had the best team when they returned to International cricket and they had some real talents including world class allrounders and a batting lineup that could bat till the end and still they were not able to win a world cup or a world tournament as they were really unlucky during world cup tournaments and that does not mean that the cricket board does not care about winning tournaments, the rest of the politics is sensitive topic and it is better to leave that.

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    December 13, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
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    Quote from: Duzter on December 13, 2019, 12:44:40 PM
    This isn't happening only with South Africa. There'll be politics in each and every country's cricket board. In countries like India there is politics, but they create reasons and give retirement ans at times keeps players on rest. From India we can see large number of players getting their names on teams like UAE, Malaysia, Singapore and so on. One such player of India making big records from another country is Muthiah Muralidaran.
    The problem with India is the huge amount of population and it is not that easy to get into the team and majority of the players who play for UAE might not be migrating to UAE to play cricket initially but they will eventually play for the country if they are able to perform in club tournaments but i am not sure about the rest of the countries.

    FYI Muttiah Muralitharan is born and brought up in Sri Lanka and you cannot call all these players moving out and if you are going to view as such then you will not find any players in any team as there is a lot of migration that happened in the last 200 years Tongue.

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    December 13, 2019, 04:43:15 PM
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    Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 13, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
    Quote from: Duzter on December 13, 2019, 12:44:40 PM
    This isn't happening only with South Africa. There'll be politics in each and every country's cricket board. In countries like India there is politics, but they create reasons and give retirement ans at times keeps players on rest. From India we can see large number of players getting their names on teams like UAE, Malaysia, Singapore and so on. One such player of India making big records from another country is Muthiah Muralidaran.
    The problem with India is the huge amount of population and it is not that easy to get into the team and majority of the players who play for UAE might not be migrating to UAE to play cricket initially but they will eventually play for the country if they are able to perform in club tournaments but i am not sure about the rest of the countries.

    FYI Muttiah Muralitharan is born and brought up in Sri Lanka and you cannot call all these players moving out and if you are going to view as such then you will not find any players in any team as there is a lot of migration that happened in the last 200 years Tongue.

    We have seen so many players from India playing for other countries, because in India cricket is the most popular sport and because of the population, they cant decide or take everyone into the team so good players migrate in the early and try to be an international player for some other country. This is not generally wrong, its just not every player get this opportunity.
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    December 13, 2019, 06:46:24 PM
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    Quote from: Duzter on December 13, 2019, 12:44:40 PM
    This isn't happening only with South Africa. There'll be politics in each and every country's cricket board. In countries like India there is politics, but they create reasons and give retirement ans at times keeps players on rest. From India we can see large number of players getting their names on teams like UAE, Malaysia, Singapore and so on. One such player of India making big records from another country is Muthiah Muralidaran.

    I am surprised that you came up with the name of Muthiah Muralidaran. He is a pure-Sri Lankan cricketer with no connection to India. His ancestors migrated to Sri Lanka many hundreds of years back and you can't label such people as foreigners to that country. He can't be compared to players such as Eoin Morgan, Jofra Archer, Ben Stokes and Imran Tahir.

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    December 13, 2019, 11:54:01 PM
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    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 13, 2019, 06:46:24 PM
    Quote from: Duzter on December 13, 2019, 12:44:40 PM
    This isn't happening only with South Africa. There'll be politics in each and every country's cricket board. In countries like India there is politics, but they create reasons and give retirement ans at times keeps players on rest. From India we can see large number of players getting their names on teams like UAE, Malaysia, Singapore and so on. One such player of India making big records from another country is Muthiah Muralidaran.

    I am surprised that you came up with the name of Muthiah Muralidaran. He is a pure-Sri Lankan cricketer with no connection to India. His ancestors migrated to Sri Lanka many hundreds of years back and you can't label such people as foreigners to that country. He can't be compared to players such as Eoin Morgan, Jofra Archer, Ben Stokes and Imran Tahir.
    May be @Duzter is living hundred of years back and he is here through time machine so please don't mind this and enjoy your weekend. Wink Cheesy

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    December 14, 2019, 01:38:29 AM
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    Quote from: BitSat19 on December 13, 2019, 11:54:01 PM
    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 13, 2019, 06:46:24 PM
    Quote from: Duzter on December 13, 2019, 12:44:40 PM
    This isn't happening only with South Africa. There'll be politics in each and every country's cricket board. In countries like India there is politics, but they create reasons and give retirement ans at times keeps players on rest. From India we can see large number of players getting their names on teams like UAE, Malaysia, Singapore and so on. One such player of India making big records from another country is Muthiah Muralidaran.

    I am surprised that you came up with the name of Muthiah Muralidaran. He is a pure-Sri Lankan cricketer with no connection to India. His ancestors migrated to Sri Lanka many hundreds of years back and you can't label such people as foreigners to that country. He can't be compared to players such as Eoin Morgan, Jofra Archer, Ben Stokes and Imran Tahir.
    May be @Duzter is living hundred of years back and he is here through time machine so please don't mind this and enjoy your weekend. Wink Cheesy

    LOL... You don't know how much Sri Lankans are proud of Muttiah Muralitharan. He was the legend who put Sri Lanka on the cricketing map. The greatest player Sri Lanka ever produced. If you talk against Muralitharan in Sri Lanka, then for sure you will not come out in good shape. When Ross Emerson and Darell Hair noballed him for chucking in 1995, the entire country came out in his support.

    And after all this, if you say that Murali is an Indian, and not Sri Lankan, then the only advice I'd give to you is to stay away from any Sri Lankan citizen (for your own safety). Cricket was something that united different races and ethnicities of Sri Lanka, despite the civil war. And this is the same sport which divided (and continuing to divide) various races in South Africa. Two countries... two different outcomes.
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    LOL... You don't know how much Sri Lankans are proud of Muttiah Muralitharan. He was the legend who put Sri Lanka on the cricketing map. The greatest player Sri Lanka ever produced. If you talk against Muralitharan in Sri Lanka, then for sure you will not come out in good shape. When Ross Emerson and Darell Hair noballed him for chucking in 1995, the entire country came out in his support.

    And after all this, if you say that Murali is an Indian, and not Sri Lankan, then the only advice I'd give to you is to stay away from any Sri Lankan citizen (for your own safety). Cricket was something that united different races and ethnicities of Sri Lanka, despite the civil war. And this is the same sport which divided (and continuing to divide) various races in South Africa. Two countries... two different outcomes.
    Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits. Angry

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    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 09:38:39 AM
    Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits. Angry
    Even when there was a war because of political situations no one asked Muttiah Muralitharan to go back to India, he was well supported by the Sri Lankan government as well as their cricket board when ever there was a chucking issue when the Australian umpires targeted him they stood by him and even walked out of the ground as protest and what are you talking about, Muttiah Muralitharan was their best cricketer ever, if you take any world eleven he will have a place in the team.

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    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 09:38:39 AM
    Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits. Angry

    Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team. 

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    Oh... common.... for once we can think rationally and get out of this moral highground BS. Playing cricket is like any other profession, and there is nothing wrong in changing your job in case the new employer is willing to give you a 100% hike.

    I think the same applies when a player doesn't want to leave his "current employer" and he should be respected for his/her decision and let's not force X way of thinking upon others. Not everyone plays for Money by saying that I am not denying that some do play for it, but if you ask the majority of Cricketers their answer won't be Money but rather the Passion for Game and remember no amount of money can derive your passion in the real world.

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    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 14, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 09:38:39 AM
    Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits. Angry

    Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team. 
    Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this. Wink Grin Smiley

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    December 14, 2019, 05:58:11 PM
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    Quote from: BitSat19 on December 14, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 14, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 09:38:39 AM
    Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits. Angry

    Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team. 
    Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this. Wink Grin Smiley

    Even many lives of innocent people are lost on the small issues. Most of the countries in this region face these issues and most of their budget is spent on war and defense and less work is being done in development of the humans. If these issues were not with us, we would have been top ranked in every field including sports and cricket.
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    Quote from: BitSat19 on December 14, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 14, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 09:38:39 AM
    Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits. Angry

    Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team. 
    Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this. Wink Grin Smiley
    Sorry for that because it is getting off-topic.

    Millions were killed and millions were moved as refugees due to that small issue and they were still living as refugee even after 30+ years on different countries like India which is something inhumane things were done to them,treat everyone as human.Politicians getting benefits not good for the country's future.

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    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 06:42:32 PM
    Quote from: BitSat19 on December 14, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 14, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 09:38:39 AM
    Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits. Angry

    Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team. 
    Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this. Wink Grin Smiley
    Sorry for that because it is getting off-topic.

    Millions were killed and millions were moved as refugees due to that small issue and they were still living as refugee even after 30+ years on different countries like India which is something inhumane things were done to them,treat everyone as human.Politicians getting benefits not good for the country's future.

    I don't understand what cricket has to do with all this.
    Every country has political issues and this is not strange for any country.

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    December 14, 2019, 07:44:05 PM
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    Quote from: JohnBitCo on December 14, 2019, 07:06:50 PM
    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 06:42:32 PM
    Quote from: BitSat19 on December 14, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
    Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 14, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
    Quote from: mersal on December 14, 2019, 09:38:39 AM
    Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits. Angry

    Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team.  
    Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this. Wink Grin Smiley
    Sorry for that because it is getting off-topic.

    Millions were killed and millions were moved as refugees due to that small issue and they were still living as refugee even after 30+ years on different countries like India which is something inhumane things were done to them,treat everyone as human.Politicians getting benefits not good for the country's future.

    I don't understand what cricket has to do with all this.
    Every country has political issues and this is not strange for any country.

    Yea its good we have to talk all about cricket nothing else.
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